Would apt-get instead of apt have saved you?
No, apt isn’t just a rename. apt upgrade largely replaces apt-get upgrade, but it’s a bit more aggressive: it may install new packages if required as dependencies (it still won’t remove packages). If an upgrade needs to remove packages to resolve dependencies, use apt full-upgrade (same as apt-get dist-upgrade).
I cross posted this to !selfhosted@lemmy.world, I hope that was ok! I figured it would be good to spread the knowledge
I've been running Debian since 2007 and never understood the point of apt upgrade .
When I update, I want the updated version for everything on my system.
I don't want to arbitrarily hold back packages just because a dependency changed. I'll decide for myself if that's an issue in my deployment. And Debian is generally very good at keeping everything running exactly the same way between releases.
I pin the release by name (not "stable") and then apt dist-upgrade always.
I've always been doing apt dist-upgrade. What's the difference between dist-upgrade and full-upgrade?
none.
When a kernel update requires a change in dependencies, something Proxmox kernels do frequently, apt just quietly “keeps back” the package. It doesn’t fail, it doesn’t break the system, and it doesn’t trigger a rollback. It just waits for me to notice.
This should save a click for hopefully everyone.
Yes obviously, if you do not update the packages then they do not get updated.
If you do not read the output of a command then you will not notuce that.
The standard upgrade command has this behavior though, which is unexpected to people like me and the author. You need a specific flag to tell apt to actually upgrade everything which is not the behavior I expected.
But it is clearly stated in the output that it holds back packages.
This is specific to Debian and Ubuntu so why not being more specific in the title?
Yay!
apt dist-upgrade is a necessary change to your process in place of just upgrade.
I may be wrong but I think it's apt-get dist-upgrade. apt full-upgrade does the same too.
apt-get is now deprecated on Debian and Ubuntu. But otherwise, no notes.
Thanks for sharing this. I'm very confident with Linux, but I hadn't thought about this!
Your blog post was concise, too. I hate scrolling forever before finding the solution.
Glad you found it useful. I'm the same, I can't stand those long posts that make you read a life story before getting to the commands, even worse when a page is riddled by ads or behind a paywall!
I figured if I’d missed it, a few other people probably had too.
Shouldn't the upgrade also update the bootloader's default entry to a new kernel? The way I've been doing it was apt update && apt dist-upgrade. And then reboot once every 1 to 2 years if I feel like it, am bored, or there's all these news articles about a severe bug in the kernel.
Uhm, you dont update the host OS??
Why?
Shouldnt an updater run on the host? And Debian should always update the kernel with apt?
I'm the same way. My Debian server is two versions out of date, but it's still getting security updates and works, so why in the world would I upgrade?
Because the kernel and packages are severely outdated, only getting urgent patches
This seems to me like a pretty urgent patch
Yes but there are tons of others that dont get CVEs lol
Yeah, apt is an unwieldy piece of shit.
is this specific to apt? dnf or pacman dont suffer from this?
I don't know about dnf, but pacman doesn't do this by default. The only way to hold back packages is by writing it in the configuration.
I've not come across this with my non Debian based systems. Only use Debian for servers because it's so stable, Arch and Fedora everywhere else!
I don't know for certain but this seems pretty apt specific.
I'd say Python is instead.
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I'm sorry, wrong thread.
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