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People on Reddit keep saying that Hamas killed people who were raving and stuff. Where does this claim came from? Does anybody have any news about that? (lemmygrad.ml)
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[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Hamas did attack a festival and fought people they encountered there (police and army). Hamas did kill some Israeli civilians. But Hamas being an imperfect resistance group is enough for liberals to solely focus on condemning Hamas and showing support for an apartheidsregime that has been committing genocide for decades now.

If they were alive during the time in which the native Americans fought back, they would've sided with the colonists. They would have sided with apartheid South Africa. They would cheer on the destruction of Vietnam. Because they can't think further than 'killing is inherently bad, and my government says to hate you'.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If they were alive during the time in which the native Americans fought back, they would've sided with the colonists.

They would have been the colonists. They still are.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

Good point lol

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You might be interested in this comment thread:

https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/2708609

I tried to aggregate the sources I could find at the time. I haven't seen much beyond those, but I haven't looked deeply.

What I think:

  • The festival couldn't have been an actual target, it was moved 2 days before.
  • Iof Gaza Division was stationed very close by, and was arguably the main target of the operation.
  • The security guards and tank are pretty likely to have caught civilians in the crossfire.
  • There was an article shared recently that seemed to point towards iof helicopters shooting into running crowds at the same time.
[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

At least half of the casualties are also security personnel per a list of names released by the Israeli government. The number has also since been revised down to 1200 from 1400.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2023/10/middleeast/hamas-music-festival-attack-investigation-cmd-intl/

a lot of the western news outlets put out a story immediately after