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My city's Food Not Bombs chapter is serving meat at meal shares? Is that normal? (hexbear.net)

submitted 2 years ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I recently decided to do mutual aid for the first time, and decided to look into my city's Food Not Bombs chapter. I know that the org is basically completely decentralized and every chapter does its own thing and there's no hierarchy, etc. But I was under the assumption that FNB was at least completely vegetarian (and I know some chapters are completely vegan), and no meat is supposed to be served, in large part because of potential safety issues with serving meat, and also because they want to stop exploitation of both people and animals, and don't believe in violence against animals. That's what it says on their main website, anyways.

I've only been to the meal shares a few times, and while I did notice some vegetarian stuff the first time, there was also vegan stuff too, including the meal I brought. But then the last couple of times, there have been dishes with meat. And I was going to go today but there were several people who were explicitly making dishes with meat in them in the group chat with the intent to bring them, and it rubbed me the wrong way, so I stayed home instead.

I don't think this chapter is prioritizing food safety at all, either. Like some of those meat and dairy dishes sit out for over a few hours without being kept cooled or heated at a safe temperature. And the first time I ever went to a meal share, someone I was serving food to said they got very sick from a previous meal share, and yeah, I'm not fucking surprised at all. It also seems extremely disorganized, no one labels any of the food they bring besides me, despite people repeatedly asking through the meal share if things are vegetarian or vegan-friendly. I live in a bigger city, too, so I'm unpleasantly surprised by all of this, tbh.

I don't know if I'm being overzealous with my venting and maybe my expectations of doing mutual aid are a lot different than reality, but, idk, I don't think I am?

I honestly feel like just ditching the org entirely, serving the omni food others are bringing is gross to me anyways, ngl. I have since found a couple of mutual aid groups in the area that explicitly serve vegan/plant-based food only, and I'm thinking of doing that instead.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not vegan, but this article I think covers some of the decision making on why meat might be used, specifically the section An Unorthodox Chapter Of An Ostensibly Unorthodox Organization.

I will say though the food safety part is very concerning, and the usage of vegan meals because of this makes a lot of sense.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

very disappointing to read from peter gelderloos of all people

there are quite strong anarchist critiques of food not bombs and similar service-provision mutual aid groups because they walk such a fine line with being functionally indistinguishable from bourgeois charity rather than part of an actual radically political program (i should note that these critiques are not saying that charitably feeding the homeless isnt a good thing to do of course, just that theyre not political praxis). i dont 100% agree with these critiques and i think food not bombs is a really worthwhile group (that ive also had some involvement with), but they raise important points that i think need to be kept front-of-mind. and if youre going to try to walk that line, you absolutely cant abandon your core principles just because its a bit more convenient

the height of hypocrisy to label yourselves with a group that is even named for its opposition to unnecessary violence, and then feed people food thats full of unnecessary violence

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you have any suggested reading for the critiques?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

heres a decent twitter thread with some linked articles - one of the articles is from a more marxist perspective too although the arguments are very similar

i think theyre definitely right about the charity trap and the need for such groups to keep their actual aims front-of-mind, but i think my counterpoints would focus on:

even if it isnt a threat to the state itself, an explicitly socialist mutual aid group is potentially able to pivot to support activities that are a threat to the state. e.g. feeding striking workers to prolong their ability to strike, which your local salvation army sure as shit isnt ever going to do. i think that kind of support work is potentially more valuable than just extra numbers on the pickets.
in times like these where the left is small and fragmented, its hard to do praxis that leads to substantive meaningful change anyway. bringing together and building community networks among like-minded leftwing people is real and important work right now, just about as much as anything else is, and mutual aid groups are great ways to build and reinforce such networks
the skills and knowledge and logistics for how to feed a whole group of people (or whatever other activity) cant just spring up overnight - its not as straightforward as people might think, and its a valuable set of "institutional" skills and knowledge. its a good way to ensure such skills are prevalent in leftist communities, and help communities "hit the ground running" if/when times get really dire or suddenly spicy
it promotes vegan food as normal and good, and food as a right for all, and provides a vision of what a better world might look like as an antidote against the crushing weight of capitalist realism
all of this stuff is in the context of an activity that also feeds the hungry, which is a solid, concrete good even if it turns out to be useless from a pure political praxis perspective. and apart from being good in its own right, just doing something objectively good and useful is a valuable antidote to burnout from activism that so often ends in failure and that voice in your head saying "whats the point of any of this?"