If I see a gap between two lines of text, and that gap vanishes when I commit the document to the web or save it to a file, then it's not 'WYSIWYG'. But this has been my experience with 100% of such editors.

I propose a new acronym to replace 'wizzy-wig':

WYSMBWYGIYLBIACWBFRTWNBMCTYSSIYUC

What You See Might Be What You Get if You're Lucky but it Almost Certainly Won't Be For Reasons That Will Never Be Made Clear to You So Suck it Ya Ugly Cunt

Not as pithy, but at least it's accurate.

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[–] 39 points 5 months ago (19 children)

Personally I feel like they're generally pretty good at WYSIWYG. What they're bad at is WYSIWYW (What You See Is What You Want).

After I do a bunch of work in Word and I have a bunch of garbage, when I load that file back I still have the same garbage. If I print it, I get the same garbage. So yeah, I get what I see.

Is that what I want? No, I want not-garbage.

Anyone remember WordPerfect coming out with "reveal codes" and allowing you to basically edit the markup and fix the issues?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (16 children)

    I don't believe Word ever claimed to be WYSIWYG.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (14 children)

    It certainly has been marketed as one, but regardless, it is one. The commenter you've replied to isn't saying otherwise, they're saying it's difficult to achieve the desired outcome.

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  • [–] 29 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    PDF is the only format I know of that is truly WYSIWYG, as it's intended for print output. But, even with that, you need to know what you're doing, it's possible to fuck it up.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I wouldn't go as far as to call PDF a dumpster fire, but I can tell you that internally it is an absolute unholy mess internally. The fact that you feel like you get consistency out of it 100% comes down to the anal retentive developers who spend insane man hours tweaking the fuck out of their code to get whatever PDF library that they got stuck using from fucking up the image.
    The worst part is that Adobe wants PDF to be the one and only format, but also wants to make sure that you have to use their very expensive PDF library to integrate it into your program. So, they constantly fuck with stuff and make changes that break shit. To make it even dumber, their own library doesn't always keep up with their changes, and when you report the bugs they created, they give no fucks about ever fixing the issue unless you are big enough to for them to care.

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    [–] 17 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    After a while I realized that Word (the web app) does not render lines of text in the same position as Word (the desktop app), in the very same file. The former seems to use a pseudo random line spacing.

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    Macromedia. They ran the Internet for a hot minute.

    Shockwave, Flash, Dreamweaver, Coldfusion. My how things change.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I still have my copy of Macromedia Flash 5. Adobe destroyed it, so I made sure to keep my install package.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Gimme that WYSIWYM, LyX.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    Try VisualEditor on e.g. Wikipedia. You notice idiosynchrasies if you're doing something specific or are pretty experienced, but overall, the difference between the editor and the preview (fully rendered page) is trivial unless you're messing around with a few specific elements (even then, a quick 'Preview' fills in this gap).

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    As shitty as Google is, I've been messing about with Google Sites for one project, and I've been quite impressed with its WYSIWYG accuracy.

    Your options there are limited (which probably plays into how it's so good), but what it shows you as you build it is pretty much exactly how the website will look when you publish it.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    It sounds like you are only talking about html.

    Delphi VB6 C# Winforms Qt

    These wysiwyg editors usually worked/work without issues.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    I've just realised I haven't used anything like that in 20 years. Macromedia Dreamweaver, those were the days!

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    That's why I refuse to use them. Just use markdown or latex if you want to get fancy with it.

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  • I'm fond of WYSISWYG (what you see is sorta what you get).

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Shame you never had the misfortune of having to use NetObjects Fusion. Tables nested like an oversized fractal matryoshka doll.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    I've made a few apps with wxFormbuilder and they were wysiwyg.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    there was a good HTML editor back in the day called homesite, I made a very popular counterstrike site with it

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    Do they even make them anymore? Last one I used which claimed to be WYSIWYG was Wordsworth on Amiga in the '90s.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    I've used WYSIWYG editors for web pages in the late 90s, early 2000s and they did exactly what they claimed to do. 🤷‍♂️

    Also: Klik n Play and The Games Factory were great WYSIWYG game engines that basically were doing what UE5 does with the logic side of things (the flow editor thing where you don't need to actually write code) way the hell back in 1994.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    WYSIMOLWIG was coined decades ago.

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