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Wife changing money (thelemmy.club)

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/46379297

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 46 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Were they robbed?

I bet they were.

Say what you will about cash, but some hacker isn’t taking paper bills from across the planet via some technical exploit way over my head. With Etherium, the only thing protecting your money from the entire internet is you, and your understanding of complicated intricacies... And when lost, no one is coming to help you.

They might get my credit card, yeah. But that’s either my own dumb fault, or a very rich bank’s problem.


…It’s great for scammers, though. Crypto’s like a wet dream for them. And I find it remarkable the crypto community sees that as a feature, not a bug, and somehow thinks the whole world must see it that way.

[-] lobut@lemmy.ca 18 points 4 days ago

I've just read Easy Money and then Number Go Up ... it's like built into the community that you should DYOR (do your own research) and getting scammed is like a college hazing ritual. "I guess I should have studied more" it's weird how people feel as though consumer rights and protections are no longer applicable with this ...

[-] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

The OP makes it seems like they lost money by making poor trades, which so far in the history of Ethereum you could do in a very short period, but not if you held onto it for any length of time.

You're right, they could have lost it by scams or hacks. The power to instantly transact with anyone in the world is a feature, but also a risk.

If crypto takes off for actual day to day transactions I imagine there will be an intermediate layer of banks or other institutions that take on some of the risk but also take their cut.

Anarchist types are concerned about government backed crypto coins since you lose the fungibility/anonymity of physical dollars but don't get any of the freedom and separation from centralization that crypto supposedly represents.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Anarchist types are concerned about government backed crypto coins since you lose the fungibility/anonymity of physical dollars but don’t get any of the freedom and separation from centralization that crypto supposedly represents.

Plus all the potential for oligarch corruption, like current crypto has. Yeah, it’s like the worst of everything, by design.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Also, I was thinking of various wallet drainers, not just simple transactions or classic scams: https://www.kaspersky.com/blog/what-is-a-crypto-wallet-drainer/50490/

Etherium isn’t just a currency, but a contract system. You basically have to be a digital lawyer+developer to understand it, and not accidentally click on the wrong thing to drain your account, and that is a LOT to ask of the average person.

We’re on Lemmy, which must put us in the first percentile of tech nerds, yet I don’t have the bandwidth to learn enough of that to feel secure with my savings in an Etherium wallet. How could the average person?

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[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 63 points 5 days ago

I get why people say cryptocurrencys are a scam, but the whole proof of stake shit makes lot more sense if someone were trying to protect all of society from say mass inflation in places like Venezuela or something.

The revolutionary w.e he was talking about had to be proof of stake, making it use 99.9% less power than things like Bitcoin.

The alternative choice was always the same, control by the U.S. or China. Really not many other options.

If people cared about the environment they wouldn't use Bitcoin, if they cared about people, they wouldnt use the U.S. dollar and such. Every country in the world supports the U.S in doing so...

We need better alternatives, etherium may not be it.. but surely there has to be a better way to keep people from suddenly plunging into poverty when they don't have control of their government.

[-] SolidShake@lemmy.world 89 points 5 days ago

Crypto is a scam because after Bitcoin got popular so many people just started "making" it. As of today there are over 16,500 active crypto currencies. That's fucking dumb idc who you are. The very original idea was to just have a global currency that didn't have an exchange rate. That makes more sense then whatever the hell it's turned into now. Crypto is like Pokemon cards.

[-] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 12 points 5 days ago

The very original idea was to just have a global currency that didn’t have an exchange rate.

Lol that's not even close to true.

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago
[-] redsand@infosec.pub 9 points 4 days ago

Money laundering too. Google "liberty reserve" or check out Epstein files.

Ultimately one of the Proof of Stake, momentum or ring sig coins would probably be better choices than Chinese Yuan as the next global currency to trade energy in even with this as true otherwise we go back to metal.

[-] Eggymatrix@sh.itjust.works 35 points 5 days ago

The main point cryptobros are missing is that the economy is controlled by force, something you can experiece if you are sailing in the persian gulf these days.

Even at the scale of a family, my taxes are collected once a year and if I don't pay the nation comes collecting their due by force, via the law enforcement.

All these cryptomoneys have the notable bug of not being controllable by the nations controllong their economy, so come a sufficient magnitude of value transfer they will be rendered illegal very fast. You ain't getting paid with it, you ain't buying food or or mortgages with it.

You can buy drugs and killers with it though, which is nice if you are into that kind of thing.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 12 points 5 days ago

Some places do pay with crypto and accept it as payment for legal goods, as well.

[-] rainwall@piefed.social 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Less than .00001% of transactions, maybe, mainly because bitcoin has hilarious transactions fees. It can easily cost you $8 to pay for a $1 stick of gum, and that transaction will still not clear for a dozen minutes. Its just non viable in the real world.

Mostly you can change crypto to an actual currency. That's just whatever.

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[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org 22 points 5 days ago

Energy is still traded with petrol dollars, doesn't matter what crypto you try to sell. By decentralising energy production (which most oligarchs dont like) you can get away from it, there is no other way.

Didn't the UAE say like yesterday they were going to start trading petrol in Yuan if they run out of dollars. People will accept whatever they feel is safe and available. Crypto isn't safe, so it won't be used

[-] lime@feddit.nu 15 points 5 days ago

i mean the big crux with proof of stake is that the majority of the currency was already held by a group with aligned interests. so it's really no different than normal currencies, it's just a bit earlier in the timeline.

[-] EfreetSK@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

To me the PoS always sounds like the current system we have - the richer you are, the more power you have

[-] SirHaxalot@nord.pub 7 points 5 days ago

Is it really that different with proof of work? In the end the control is going to end up with relatively few entities that have the resources to build large scale mining farms..

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[-] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 days ago

Ironically cryptocurrency enabled the level of corruption we have right now that put us on a path to depression 2.0.

[-] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I fail to see the difference between “I have some special numbers” and “I have this special metal” and either way the value swings in comparison to other things. The special numbers are certainly more portable but as a revolutionary “not a fiat currency” (not your words!) it’s a bit of a stretch, no?

[-] SeptugenarianSenate@leminal.space 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

to me it feels like the subtle difference between a representative democracy and a direct democracy. Representative tends to be more common as those in power are more willing to transition to systems in which they could reasonably hope to keep most of their power, whereas I see the crypto selling point being that the end-users would have some voting rights towards the setting of inflationary rates (different mechanisms for adjustment than fiat, I am sure [seriously not an expert on crypto or fiat {or what I think involves an understanding of “modern monetary theory”}]), versus non-government financial platforms such as bank owners (federal reserve) printing the money in order to effect inflation rates.

[-] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 days ago

Any sort of proof of stake or weighting of power is game-able and abuse-able. Even 1 person gets 1 vote just results in a black market of people exchanging theirs for some other thing of value. It always comes down to a division between those who "have" and those who don't. Even simply having more power through length of time invested creates power dynamics.

That doesn't mean that things can't get better or we shouldn't try, but it does mean that it's something that can't just be waved away with magic phrases.

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[-] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Crypto in isolation isn't a scam (ignoring shitcoins and memecoins).

The issue is crypto is the perfect technology to hold/launder/gamble billions to trillions in undocumented and untaxed wealth by the Epstein class.

Its also perfect technology to scam millions of desperate dipshit working class numpties with severe gamblong addictions and far-right beliefs.

[-] Hapankaali@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

We need better alternatives

Why? Modern fiat currencies do exactly what a currency needs to do.

It doesn't matter if it is fiat or not necessarily. But if I told you your money was going to be worth half tomorrow, then half again the next every day for the next 16 weeks... You would think shit... Maybe there is a better way to do this. That has happened to millions of people across several countries. They didn't wake up one day and choose it, but poof gone. Your entire life turned to nothing because we are using currency that isn't based on anything but a government that can collapse. Universal currencys not run by local governments could help prevent such.

The thing is, large countries that don't have these problems currently, are the ones with power to change that.. and would never vote to change it, because it could help poorer countries create stability and grow over time, which makes them not so much less than the big countries who want to be able to take advantage of those countries when they wish for their advantage.

[-] booly@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago

But if I told you your money was going to be worth half tomorrow, then half again the next every day for the next 16 weeks… You would think shit… Maybe there is a better way to do this.

Doesn't that happen to most cryptocurrencies?

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[-] Hapankaali@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

First of all, hyperinflation hasn't been an issue in any modern economy for decades. We understand more about monetary policy than we did in the 1930s.

Secondly, economic crises did happen prior to Bretton Woods. In fact, they tended to be more common, and more severe.

Finally, it is not obvious at all that "universal currencys (sic) not run by local governments" could do better, especially given our experience with cryptocurrencies, all of which are extremely volatile and not suitable as a currency for that and various other reasons.

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[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago

Universal currencys not run by local governments could help prevent such

https://xkcd.com/927/

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[-] Etterra@discuss.online 28 points 4 days ago

You can't fake this kind of willful stupidity.

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[-] PmMeFrogMemes@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago
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[-] Bloefz@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

I don't think Etherium ever really had a major drop like in losing almost all of its value? It's been pretty stable IMO and slowly gaining value.

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