Ah, that makes sense

US and Israeli operations within Iran are as old as the current government.

This is just my opinion, but as far as I understand it Iran can't quit the war unless it gives massive concessions to the people who bombed children and their leadership on the first day of the war DURING NEGOTIATIONS. You can't opt out of it because the US and Israel clearly won't accept anything less than neoliberal policy under a puppet regime, they certainly won't let a socialist government take power. So I believe the logical conclusion for socialists within Iran is to defend their country and people in a platform of national unity. Showing up in the defense of regular people is necessary for regular people to see that socialists actually care about them not dying.

This thread is explicitly about imperialist backing in the recent protests, not just protests in general. We weren't talking about the kurdish conflict or anything, so it's weird for your original comment to mock people for correctly accusing heavy foreign involvement.

My top comment was snark-ish, so I'll elaborate my real positions here:

I think many of the protestors are real, and unrest is not fully foreign. More specifically, they are protesting about heavy economic turmoil and internal repression. The latter is definitely real and I do not deny that, and so is the former. But a large part of the economic struggle in Iran is imposed by heavy sanctions and wars (this war already happened last year!) by the US and Israel, to overthrow the state for their own interests. US using sanctions in this way is documented in many countries, and they are using the natural unrest, throwing oil in the fire by both waging more war and strangling the economy further. Their goal is to overthrow the state and either install a western-friendly state that sells away its natural resources at the expense of their people, or another Libya. Iran is the only nation in the region actively resisting Israeli-American bloodthirst, and have been dreaming of this war for decades.

Overthrowing Iran (at least, now) would serve Israel/American imperialism, and would leave Israel unopposed to butcher the north of the region freely. Reality is not neatly isolated into compartments, something like this would have consequences and US/Israeli would rabidly seize the opportunity.

Hope that made sense

I pointed out that you couldn’t pretend defending the working in class when denying its agency.

There’s no evidence of us denying the agency of the working class, but Western media have groomed you to believe it. Previously:

Citations Needed podcast: US Meddling, the Limits of 'Agency' Discourse and How Media Chooses Which 'Voices' To Center

We discuss the uses and misuses of liberal standpoint theory to promote US meddling, sanctions, and bombing. With guest Vincent Bevins.

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony
• https://theintercept.com/2024/02/28/new-york-times-anat-schwartz-october-7/
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationale_for_the_Iraq_War#Weapons_of_mass_destruction
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Libyan_rape_allegations
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeonmi_Park