So, OS-level age-gating is going federal, which will effectively kill your rights to device ownership and what's left of free speech and expression.

Enjoy your free speech while you still have it because this is a clear attempt to erase that right.

SOPA never died, it just went into hiding until time to reemerge, and now's that time, this is basically SOPA in a save the kids trenchcoat.

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[–] 192 points 4 months ago (62 children)

No it wont. Because we're gonna light shit on fire until this goes away, ICE melts, and the hostages are released from the internment camps. Right?

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  • [–] 95 points 4 months ago (40 children)

    lol. americans don’t do shit

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  • [–] 99 points 4 months ago* (27 children)

    My guy, people have been out in the streets ripping people out of the hands of ice

    I get its fun to be cynical in the current moment but americans have absolutely been doing shit. I know, because there are folks in my community organizing, and they're doing so in the image of other community organizing efforts across the country

    If you're reading this go find a way to get involved IRL. Meet your neighbors. Join food not bombs or a soup kitchen. Get involved in ice watch. Find your local DSA or PSL chapter and see if they're people there and projects that you feel like you can build with. See if you have a local SRA chapter. See if your area has any tool libraries or community gardens you can participate in. Lots of states have a stop cop city, or stop detention centers project, go see if your area has one you can get involved with. People only do shit if people like YOU decide its worth doing

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    [–] 159 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    And written by a Democrat. They really have become useless. First they regularly forget that they are opposition for a reason, and now they even betray their voters with the most stupid law humans can cook up.

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  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    And written by a Democrat.

    They are literally never your ally. A lot of us refuse to accept that we have 2 parties that don't give one solitary fuck about us because it means we have no say whatsoever in our government, but Democrats prove time and time again that this is the case.

    The most we get are a handful of "representatives" that somehow managed to beat AIPAC and all the corporate interests that buy the rest of them, but that handful isn't enough to actually force meaningful change or to prevent the worst from happening. :(

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    [–] 146 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    Or a parent could, I don't know, just parent their own kids instead of expecting the government to.

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    [–] 137 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (15 children)

    They can’t even arrest the pedophiles in government but they want to mass surveil us for everything.

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    [–] 113 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    "Parents Decide Act"

    Yet text of it has basically nothing about parents in it, just government data collection lol

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    [–] 85 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    If this thread is any indication, we’re cooked. If this many people are willing to give the government the benefit of the doubt, after what we’re dealing with…

    This will not be benign, it will seem innocent at first, but we’ll have given up yet another seemingly simple thing that will eventually be used against us.

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago

    evidently Palantir wasn't able to use all available data and a few glaciers to find out who was saying mean things about Important People With Money. This oughta fill in those gaps.

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  • [–] 79 points 4 months ago

    https://5calls.org/

    Tell your reps that this bill doesn't get a chance to breathe if they ever want your support in future elections.

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  • [–] 65 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    To paraphrase someone:

    You need to win every time. I need you to lose only once.

    Anyone thinking that this won't pass this time, or next year, or the year after that or the year... They will push this as a new thing, wrapping the same bullshit lies in a new paper each time...

    Eventually it'll pass, it always does. All they need is patience

    The only possible cou ter to this is to enshrine the right to own a computer and internet access into your constitution or something like that.

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    [–] 63 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Remember when windows implemented a feature that took a screenshot of your PC every 5 seconds or whatever? Now they know exactly whose screenshots those are and basically surveille your PC use as if watching from behind your back? Yeah...we know what they want. They want to effectively disarm our ability to use computers to challenge them. God knows what they're planning to implement after this goes through. It's not just about the laws they're passing, it's about what those laws enable them to do. Sure windows rolled back that feature, but it's still there. They didn't remove the code, they just changed what triggers it and if the PC user knows or not.

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    [–] 57 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Motherfuckers want this so they can more easily find kiddies to groom and rape.

    Start selling the narrative folks, this is not gonna be a clean war

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    [–] 52 points 4 months ago (4 children)
    1. This bill is being pushed by Meta and they are NOT going to stop with age verification. It is not about "protecting children" and it never has been. It's always been about surveillance and control. Meta wants to know who you are, where you are, what you buy, what you download, who you associate with and what your politics are.

    2. If Meta succeeds in putting all this on your computer at the operating system level, then what is the point of even having a VPN anymore? Also Meta will sell this information to anyone who asks for it.

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    [–] 46 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    We will keep defeating these nasty bills, we have to keep pushing and not just giving into what the government wants. As what the government wants is nasty as fuck! There will be means to circumvent such changes, Ageless Linux is working on categorizing the methods of evasion, keeping track of what Linux distros are deciding and doing in regards to Age Verification.

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    [–] 45 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    "and for other purposes" umm

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    [–] 43 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    This is how the democrats lose the next election.

    GJ snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Again

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    [–] 43 points 4 months ago

    Donate here: https://www.eff.org/ https://epic.org/ https://cdt.org/ https://www.aclu.org/

    Get off Android if you can: https://grapheneos.org/ https://lineageos.org/ https://e.foundation/e-os/

    Pick a Linux distro to try on a beater laptop (save yourself some trouble and just use Ubuntu to start): https://distrowatch.com/

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    [–] 31 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Wouldn't this just be unenforceable for any Linux distros not directly owned/maintained by a US-based corporation? I don't really see how they could force a distro to comply, unless they start going after individual maintainers who live in the US.

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  • [–] 31 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    If you read this law bill in the strictest way, it makes almost no sense. It says that anyone who makes or controls an operating system has to check the age of every person who uses it. But it does not limit this to big companies. That could mean volunteers who help build Debian or even someone at home making their own version of Linux. The law bill would expect them to build a system that asks for (and verifies) a birthday before you can use the computer.

    It gets even stranger with websites like GitHub. If someone downloads shared code and uses it, the person who posted it might be seen as responsible. But they have no way to know who downloaded it or what they did with it. The law bill would still expect their system to check ages and share that information with app makers.

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  • [–] 35 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Gets even more absurd when you start to dig at the definition of an 'operating system'.

    Besides computers and phones, lots of small electronic devices have a rudimentary OS built into them, including (among many other things) a lot of appliances these days. Forget needing to verify your age in order to use your computer, say hello to needing to verify your age in order to use a refrigerator ... or a gas pump.

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    [–] 31 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Disgusting. This is my representative, I unfortunately voted him in.

    Our president is a pedophile and we still get the "for the children" bullshit. How about making a law requiring tracking the data on the Epstein class phones instead?

    I sent a letter to him, hopefully enough people do.

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    [–] 31 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Parents ALREADY decided. They decided they didn't give enough of a shit to use the parental controls already available to them. No legitimate reason to push this shit on everyone else.

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    [–] 28 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    I've seen a lot of people saying how this will be unenforceable and so isn't something we need to worry about.

    Except this could be enforced. Google came out with a proposal a few years ago for a method of validating the a request came from a "trusted" (aka, signed and with secure boot enabled OS), ostensibly to combat bot traffic. They dropped it after push back, but it still provides a blueprint for how this could be enforced.

    https://github.com/explainers-by-googlers/Web-Environment-Integrity

    If web platforms are mandated by law to enforce something like this then the web could be effectively restricted to only approved operating systems. There could still be a dark web, but with the weight of the law behind it, once anything gained momentum access to it could be shut down at the service provider layer.

    This shouldn't be dismissed as a threat because it's "unenforceable", because it is.

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    [–] 24 points 4 months ago* (13 children)

    still have no idea how they will implement this, with phones that can be rooted or running something like lineageOS or others.

    But in any case, I am glad I am not from the US.

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    [–] 22 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    I disagree with all of you. Now that our benevolent theocratic autocratic overlords have decided to track everything we say and do and escape is impossible, I completely support their brave new dystopian agenda. All hail the wonderful leaders!

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    [–] 21 points 4 months ago (15 children)

    Canadian here. If I can't find a Linux distro that will not comply with this bullshit law, I'll use my GrapheneOS phone and nothing else. Wouldn't be the first time in my life I used a phone for everything.

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  • [–] [S] 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    Artix straight-up refused, and I presume antiX's general stance is against age-gating as they proudly state their anti-fascist stance in their tagline, and as far as I'm aware Devuan is against age-gating as well. I also can assume Parabola and Hyperbola are against this as well.

    And then of course Ageless is protestware.

    Adenix also refused.

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