A study conducted in Germany found that men with higher IQs are less inclined to traditional values, but the lead author, psychologist and intelligence researcher Maximilian Krolo of Saarland University, said the researchers did not find these differences among women.

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[–] 155 points 5 months ago* (8 children)

from a logical standpoint, conservatism is lacking any kind of sense or logic. I think it's safe to assume that, in order to follow blindly an idea that crumbles as soon as you critically think about it, you have to lack the ability to critically think.

What I think tho is that it's empathy what we should link to intelligence (or whatever you want to call the skill set that allows you to question and critizice everything).

Conservatism is a lack of empathy (which comes with a lack of said "intelligence").

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    [–] 70 points 5 months ago (18 children)

    Aaah a feel-good article for leftists.

    Plenty of dumb dumbs among us, don't worry.

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    [–] 69 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    To be liberal requires empathy. A deep understanding of others and their situations and the knowledge that your own personal needs dont always automatically outweigh others.

    Empathy requires emotional intelligence.

    Its easy to see it in action. Pick a problem and then look at the solutions offered by populist politicians to solve them.

    In the UK one of the problems is immigrants arriving on small boats. The populist "solution"? "STOP THE BOATS" shouted far and wide.

    How we ask?

    And then silence. And when pressed, the likes of Reform offer more soundbites like "use the navy" and "send them back" but without any substance.

    Meanwhile Liberal politicians offer actual solutions that are not sound bites, and they won't work quickly. Things like working with the French to find and arrest the people organising it. Helping to improve facilities in France and the rest of Europe so the UK isn't seen as somewhere an immigrant needs to travel to.

    Basically, intelligent people aren't fooled by meaningless slogans. Morons aren't able to understand that deep problems require deep and complex solutions.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    To be liberal requires empathy. A deep understanding of others and their situations and the knowledge that your own personal needs dont always automatically outweigh others.

    Not strictly necessarily. For me, it comes down to logic, reason, and evidence.

    I’m neurodivergent. This means that among some mild cognitive superpowers, I also have some significant weaknesses, such as an inability to understand or even recognize the inner workings of others. Essentially, the first half of your second sentence, above. That simply isn’t in my wheelhouse, no matter how hard I try. It’s analogous to asking a blind person to pick out the colour red.

    But I reach the same place - the second half of the second sentence - by using logic and reason and evidence (usually via science) to come to an understanding of what is correct and good and right and how the needs of others simply don’t restrict my own personal needs in any way, and so carry equally as much importance and have all the same ability to be fulfilled without conflict. And because some of these people are disadvantaged or oppressed, it is my duty as a fucking human being to have their back whenever I have a decent opportunity to do so.

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    [+] 59 points 5 months ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)
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    [–] 58 points 5 months ago

    Higher IQ is also associated with higher Critical Thinking Skills, which help you recognize and avoid conservative propaganda.

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    [–] 42 points 5 months ago (12 children)

    IQ testing is pseudoscience. It's one of the preferred methods of the far right to try to differentiate between races for that very reason. Pseudoscience is a lot more malleable for their purposes than the settled science that says race doesn't exist biologically.

    Having a "high IQ" is only proof that you're good at IQ tests.

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

    Veritasium made a video talking about IQ tests, their validity and so on. https://youtu.be/FkKPsLxgpuY

    One of my key takeaways: IQ tests have some validity as a diagnostic tool for asessing cognitive disabilities or illnesses, but they should not be taken as serious and significant as many less informed people seem to do.

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    [–] 29 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    "The current study showed that high intelligence does not, as one might assume, lead to radical political positions. Instead, highly gifted adults are on average just as politically diverse and moderate as the rest of the population."

    Well that headline is...misleading.

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    [–] 26 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Fuck IQ. Literally political stance is a better measurement of intelligence.

    Wait...

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    [–] 25 points 5 months ago (10 children)
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    [–] 25 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    This is because reality itself has a strong left-leaning bias, and intelligence makes you encounter that a lot more as you interact with reality.

    Sure, there are highly intelligent right-wingers, but intelligence only gives you the cognitive tools to discover reality, it doesn’t force you to use them. Just because a person is intelligent doesn’t mean they can’t slide off into wharrderp fantasy land.

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    [–] 25 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    In before everyone trashes IQ for being racist and pointless.

    And I'm not saying it isn't ethnocentric and a bit arbitrary. But walk around a Mensa meeting and you'll see things in common.

    Mostly that everyone is really socially inept if not outright problematic.

    But 90% liberal, yeah.

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    [–] 22 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Men with high net worth are more conservative leaning?! Isn't that weird. Learning about the world builds compassion, while feeding your own greed breeds self interest. So weird. Remind me why we ask the opinions of rich people again?

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

    I think there's a litany of problems with this assertion.

    Firstly the sample size is 150 people, too small for any meaningful conclusion.

    Secondly the article doesn't make any attempt at a causal relationship. Are men with higher IQs more progressive because they have higher IQs? Or is there some other reason.

    One hypothesis is simply that students in the 80s and 90s who were more comfortable with STEM work (and IQ tests) were more likely to go on to tertiary academic studies, and we know that there is a causal relationship between academic achievement and progressive politics. Given the era, perhaps women were less likely to follow that path than their male counterparts.

    I'm not saying that's the answer, it's just an example of how statistical links aren't always helpful.

    Edit: most of what I said is really dumb and wrong!

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago*

    150 is actually appropriate for this type of study and effect size.

    Especially considering it was a longitudinal study that spanned 35 years. Impressive they could maintain that many participants.

    Sure we could always use bigger samples but 150 is really good actually.

    Secondly.

    Causal research is a whole other thing.

    Correlation research comes first. Once that's established , Then causal research.

    Causal research is much more different to conduct for social factors like this. Nearly impossible actually.

    So don't be surprised when such research doesn't exist.

    You can't manipulate someone's IQ. And you can't really manipulate their political leaning.

    There is no real way to run an experimental study to find out causes.

    Best you can do is find more correlations.

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    I mean, I find it interesting that this pattern does not exist among women.

    Too bad the article doesn't actually link the study.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Meanwhile, me:

    *holding triangle block piece

    ...and you know what hole that goes in? That's right, the square hole.

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    [–] 15 points 5 months ago

    I will count of the list of Conservative scientists:

    End of list

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago

    Traditional values are a crutch for the intellectually unambitious and a cudgel for the ambitious.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago

    "My social media isn't an echo chamber"

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    "Solid ice colder than liquid water, study finds."

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    [–] 12 points 5 months ago

    Yeah, well, I've never felt smarter than when conversing with a conservative.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    As a high IQ person I would like to remind everyone that IQ has been coopted by a scientific racism and eugenics agenda, and the originator, a French man by the name of Alfred Binet,

    "stressed that intellectual development progressed at variable rates and could be influenced by the environment; therefore, intelligence was not based solely on genetics, was malleable rather than fixed, and could only be found in children with comparable backgrounds."

    We can only assume that any correlation in beliefs and scoring is the product of an environment which tends to produce both or inhibits the production of both. IE Fox News makes you dumb, and Fox News makes you conservative, concurrently. The study does not mention TV.

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    [–] 11 points 5 months ago (13 children)

    So IQ is still a valid measuring method is it?

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    [–] 10 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I'm going to ignore all the issues with this study, and just be happy there are people out there finding the data that shows conservatism is stupidity.

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    [–] 10 points 5 months ago (3 children)
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    [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    A fact so obvious and apparent only a German would even bother asking.

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