What are the stances of the different Irish parties on Palestine?
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The neoliberal parties Fine Gael, Fianna Fáil, The Green Party who are now in government together are unsurprisingly pro US and so their policies and actions for one from this. At best they'll make subs scolding statements about Israel but they'll oppose anything meaningful.
People Before Profit are outspoken about Israel and have been demanding the expulsion of the ambassador from early on.
Social Democrats have just come around to support for the ambassador's expulsion.
Sinn Féin, highly expected to lead the next government have been quiet until very recently following a public shaming from PBP. They'd prefer not to rock the boat with the US because unfortunately they're selling out and have been for a long time. Their voter base have very different opinions but don't yet realise how badly they're going to be betrayed following their election.
It's a shame about Sinn Fein. Seems like People Before Profit are the best party in Ireland
It's just the limits of electoralism. The ruling parties have the media in thrall and constantly run attack pieces against SF and others. Then they crybully when they go over the line and get sued.
This is likely to be misread by non-Irish people.
All parties condemn Israel, support recognising Palestinian statehood, support South Africa's genocide case.
Saying things like "pro US and so their policies and actions for one from this" and "prefer not to rock the boat with the US" makes it sound like there are pro-Israel political parties in Ireland. There are none.
Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael have consistently been open, vocal supporters of Israel, as I believe are the Labour party. I don't know where you're getting your ideas from.
I'm surprised at the amount of disinfo on Lemmy. Where are you from?
https://labour.ie/news/2023/10/18/israel-must-be-held-to-account-for-horrendous-war-crimes/
https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0423/1445100-micheal-martin-middle-east/
Micheál Martin criticises Israel after latest bombing of Gaza Strip, Martin said he believes Israel has broken international humanitarian law: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L4HtxAz-Jg
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/02/ireland-criticism-israel-eu-palestinian-rights
https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0406/1441986-fine-gael-ard-fheis/
https://www.finegael.ie/private-members-business-palestine/
https://www.finegael.ie/minister-brophy-pledges-support-to-un-agency-for-palestine-refugees/
https://labour.ie/news/2024/04/11/palestinian-statehood-must-be-urgently-recognised/
https://labour.ie/news/2024/04/11/palestinian-statehood-must-be-urgently-recognised/
https://labour.ie/news/2024/01/23/political-posturing-on-gaza-preventing-progress/
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael have consistently been open, vocal supporters of Israel
Harris is after calling Israel repulsive: https://lemmy.ml/post/14210216
I'm not trying to defend FG, but why are you lying?
Jesus man. You're going to lie in plain view while saying I'm lying? Are you Israeli or something?
He called actions repulsive, not Israel. And only the actions of a single individual. FFS.
He supports Israel and openly says so. He condemns the Palestinian resistance to its genocide.
Martin went there and famously pointed to a hole in a ceiling and said nothing about the mass murder until very recently.
They still haven't expelled the ambassador.
Yeah what about it? Six months later they caved to pressure after supporting the genocide. So what?
These links are almost a decade old. What do they have to say about current government or political parties?
Use your words.
what is your claim? and how did you come to believe it?
Answer the question.
cén ceist?
At this point I count four outstanding questions you're desperately trying to dodge.
I take it you concede the point then by refusing to engage in good faith discussion.
All government parties, and more, support the Israel and its genocide. Fact.
All government parties, and more, support the Israel and its genocide. Fact.
Then why do they vocally oppose it, support South Africa's genocide case, and move to recognising the Palestinian state?
Thanks for reminding me about all of these supports of Israel by the government. I'll keep posting them now.
They don't. They're all very vocal about "Israel's", "right to exist".
It took them over 6 months of genocide to support SA's genocide case and only did so after the ICJ backed it.
They've repeatedly opposed recognising the Palestinian state.
Would you like to know more?
There is no discutandum: you've just said easily-falsifiable things and I have falsified them easily. You're saying that they vocally support it, when there's abundant reporting on their opposing it and helping South Africa oppose it.
Have you ever been to Ireland? Have you ever opened an Irish newspaper?
If I say the moon is made of Cashel Blue, I wouldn't expect someone to engage in some detailed "good faith" rebuttal.
You can't just say obvious mistruths like "All government parties, and more, support the Israel and its genocide. Fact." and then expect some sort of "good faith discussion".
There is no discutandum
You can't even spell the word. You're no good at this.
you’ve just said easily-falsifiable things and I have falsified them easily
Only in your mind. I invite you to debate in any of the stories I'm posting here. Not just claiming you falsified anything or asking where people come from. Address the subject matter.
There's no discussion to be had: you said something easily falsifiable and I falsified it easily.
I can't come in saying Guinness is pink and demand to be taken seriously.
Have you ever been to Ireland? Have you ever opened an Irish newspaper?
There’s no discussion to be had: you said something easily falsifiable and I falsified it easily.
This never happened man. You made no effort to back up your absurd claim.
Have you ever been to Ireland? Have you ever opened an Irish newspaper?
LOL what? I'm the Liberties man. Not that it makes any difference to anything at all. Where are you from yank?
What's the point of your links? Do you have any supporting argument at all? Why are you afraid to debate?
Why are you afraid to debate?
How could there be a "debate"?? There's nothing to argue, you've said Guinness is pink and I've provided more than a score of links showing the well-reported plain facts.
Ireland has done nothing meaningful or brave for the victims of "Israel's" genocide. This is a fact.
gg yank.
When were they "vocal" in their "support" for Israel?
Every time they support "Israel's" "right to exist".
after supporting the genocide
Stop lying you weirdo
What's happening in this picture?
The mockery and derision that Kim Kong Un and DPRK get should be reserved for isntrael and isntraelis.