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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Sunday that Israel had offered fuel to Gaza's Al Shifa hospital, which suspended operations after running out of fuel, but that the militants had refused to receive it.

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[–] bdonvr 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Netanyahu was asked if Israel has a plan to get fuel into Gaza to power hospitals. "We just offered Shifa hospital the fuel, they refused it," Netanyahu said.

"Hamas, (which) is hiding in the hospitals and placing itself there, doesn't want the fuel for the hospital ... they want to get fuel that they'll take from the hospitals to their tunnels, to their war machine."

Then why didn't they accept the fuel and just take it? People actually believe this genocidal drivel?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Then why didn’t they accept the fuel and just take it? People actually believe this genocidal drivel?

  • We can't read Hamas leaders' minds, but I suppose that would have made it harder to blame Israel for killing babies.
  • This was only 300L, so it would have gone directly into generators with no surplus fuel to take.
  • Before this war started, IDF released a recording proving that Hamas takes fuel from Gaza hospitals.
  • Believing this account outright is just as foolish as dismissing it outright.

Edit: In response to denials by Hamas, IDF just released footage of the fuel being delivered.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Believing this account outright is just as foolish as dismissing it outright.

There’s a reason “the first casualty of war is the truth” is a cliche— it’s because it’s very hard to know exactly what’s going on when there’s so much chaos and impetus for people to push agendas.

I have some assumptions I’m confident about, but those are fairly broad, and based on the nature of what happens in any war. Specifics I’m trying hard to slow-roll my reactions to and full acceptance of— I’ve seen way too many news stories about active situations be proven in part or in whole false, and most of those aren’t in war zones.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago

because we (have) no battle with patients or civilians at all," Netanyahu said.

That’s an interesting statement considering the fact that there have been at least 137 attacks on health care (hospitals, ambulances etc). Source

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I mean, if you manage to believe this from the same people bombing refugee camps... and what an hospital is supposed to do with that ridicolous amount of fuel? Keep the lights on maybr an hour while they wait to get bombed anyway?! Fucking bullshit is what it is.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Nov 12 (Reuters) - Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Sunday that Israel had offered fuel to Gaza's Al Shifa hospital, which suspended operations after running out of fuel, but that the militants had refused to receive it.

Netanyahu was asked by NBC News whether Israeli allegations that Hamas had a command post under Gaza's main hospital justified jeopardizing the lives of sick people and babies.

Israel's military said it was ready to evacuate babies from Al Shifa on Sunday, but Palestinian officials said people inside were still trapped, with three newborns dead and dozens at risk from a power outage.

Netanyahu was asked if Israel has a plan to get fuel into Gaza to power hospitals.

"We just offered Shifa hospital the fuel, they refused it," Netanyahu said.

Hamas denies Israeli allegations it has command posts under Shifa and other Gaza hospitals.


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[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Hamas also told people not to leave the evacuation zone, have been using civilians and humanitarian structures as human shields, and have been shooting at refugees trying to leave. It's clear they care more about making Israel look bad in the media than they do about the safety of their own people.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hamas also told people not to leave the evacuation zone,

then Israel admitted that they bombed a refugee camp in Jabalia, and then they apparently did it again in al-Maghazi, kinda validating what Hamas said

have been using civilians and humanitarian structures as human shields,

I recently typed out this comment in another thread about how we can't trust Israel's word about human shields because of their actions during the Great March of Return in 2017/2018 and how it's a double standard anyways.

and have been shooting at refugees trying to leave

this is the first I've heard this accusation, and a quick google search for "hamas shoots fleeing refugees" and "hamas shoots gazans" didn't turn up any results for me. Do you mind providing a source? FWIW, there is growing evidence that at least some of the October 7th death toll can be attributed to Israeli friendly fire due to a mix of desperation and combat confusion

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

shooting at refugees trying to leave. It's clear they care more about making Israel look bad in the media than they do about the safety of their own people.

Why don't I see video's of Palestinians complaining about Hamas?

Why don't I see video's of Palestinians fighting Hamas and dragging them out into the street?

If Hamas is really killing their own people, why do we never hear about splinter groups of Palestinians enacting revenge against Hamas?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

OP is an IDF sympathiser and will vigorously defend them, but my take is, and this is what i tell the pro-genocide crowd, Hamas is a militant group that run on ideology and will not hesitate to kill, you can't expect a normal folks to take up arm and fight them. Gazan is already struggling with day to day life, with Israel blockade and harsh control and incredibly prejudice against them, and Hamas being a shitty government, they're stuck between two devil.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's wild to me how many people on here refuse to acknowledge this kind of thing.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago

It's easier to kill the terrorists in the hospitals when the hospitals are more flammable...