"European sovereignty!!!" Hosts it on Github.
Perfection is the enemy of progress
I would say that poor foundational choices are also the enemy of progress too.
Fortunately, migrating off Github to something like Codeberg is quite easy (or so I've heard).
But I do wonder what it bodes for other choices they're making.
From a source code perspective, moving is as easy as pushing it to another platform. Everything uses git under the hood.
However, all the project mgmt stuff like issues and PRs and releases aren’t as easy
Its not "easy" but its not that difficult either, I've overseen a migration from a gitea instance to github (coporate policy, not my choice) that had information that needed to be retained for regulatory purposes. it took a bit of work, but only a single engineer working on it on and off around other tasks for a few weeks including testing and dry runs.
Yeah I know gitea has a mature api and I suspect it’s GitHub compatible. So any mid level dev should smash it out. Especially now with a little help from a magic pattern machine.
It makes me feel like when people insist it would take an astronomical amount of effort to move their community off of discord.
I know it will but you are worse than wasting your time putting that decision off because it will limit your community in ways you cannot even perceive yet.
Stop wasting everyone's time, don't build houses on top of destabilized sinking mud and expect people to move in, and if they do now you have a MUCH bigger problem on your hands than the challenge of building a new building since you have to convince people the old building which looks fine is not safe.
It's also not that hard to host on Codeberg... especially if they're already doing something disruptive like forking...
Not even doing the bare minimum is also the enemy of progress.
sovereignty != isolation
Microsoft sucks, but what exactly is the threat you're trying to mitigate by not putting their Office suite on GH? Microsoft deciding to disappear it or take control of it one day? MS does a ton of business in Europe, so they have a lot more to risk than PR history for tools that the devs would all still have on their machines (and thus could migrate at any time to another code repo).
There's not a readily-available European alternative to Github, and no, Codeberg is not one, because the value of GH is not just hosting code, it's being a well-known place to find code. If you want a "European alternative" to GH, you'd first need to create an internationally-famous, known-by-all-developers platform. But that's not "in scope" for their EU-Office tool.
sovereignty != isolation
Codeberg != isolation
There’s not a readily-available European alternative to Github, and no, Codeberg is not one, because the value of GH is not just hosting code, it’s being a well-known place to find code.
Codeberg is absolutely an alternative hosting place that is ready to go today. Medium and large players like Zig, Guix, Librewolf, Forgejo, and Comaps are on Codeberg. These aren't random people with projects that no one uses. These are large projects with lots of collaborators that ship software to lots of people. (Even Alpine Linux seems to be experimenting with Codeberg.)
Codeberg has a similar UI/UX to GitHub. It's got CI too, either traditional CI with Woodpecker, or you can migrate your GitHub Actions to Forgejo Actions (which are similar).
Codeberg is big and popular enough that it shows up in web search results, search for "zig source code" and you'll get a result for Codeberg. It's not like people only search for code in the GitHub search bar.
Codeberg != isolation
I wasn't saying that codeberg was isolation, I'm saying that you don't have to extract yourself from all non-European tools and dependencies in order to maintain sovereignty.
Codeberg is big and popular enough that it shows up in web search results
Not from what I can see.
search for “zig source code”
Sure, if you search for something you are explicitly aware is on Codeberg, you'll find... links to Codeberg.
But if you search for "source code repositories", "where to find open source software", "where to find source code for software", you get #1 Github, then Sourceforge, then other random ones like Google Code Repos.
Even from the projects you listed, I've only heard of Forgejo (and that's only because I was explicitly searching for self-hosted code repo software), and Librewolf (Alpine is on their own Gitlab instance). Also, listing the software that the website itself is built on as evidence of big projects hosting there is a little obama-giving-himself-a-medal-meme-y.
I'm not saying Codeberg is bad, or that people shouldn't use it, but it's not well-known and is not something to shame people for not using.
I like the spirit but let's be honest, none of the examples you cited in your first paragraph are "large".
Exactly, they are focusing on what they do well, and letting others do their part elsewhere.
Are we to criticize Euro-Office when they don't drive European made cars too?
This video comes to mind: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vHfbUIQeW_A
The project can live anywhere.
What do I care where they show off the code.
I had no idea there was so much drama behind MS Office alternatives. I moved to Libre some time ago and although it is often buggy and frustrating, I know it well enough to make it do the job. It's also had a ribbon UI for some time, so I'm not sure what the press release is talking about there.
What's wrong with LibreOffice?
Many complain about bad UX, if nextcloud is going through this amount of effort to make a fork, then those people have a point
Just to clarify, NextCloud aren't forking LibreOffice, they're forking OnlyOffice. They're two very different projects (OnlyOffice is a web based office suite, whereas LibreOffice is primarily desktop based, although there is work on making a web version)
There's apparently been a fallout between ColabraOffice and LibreOffice, which is why LibreOffice is now building a web version.
Also read about much old cruft and tech debt.
Aka it's easier to steer a new sjip than repair and manage an old one.
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