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[-] qba@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 1 month ago

You can't think about building a post-capitalist society without first developing the productive forces. That's why I'm so against these "marxists" who dislike Deng. More than a great leader, Deng was a brilliant Marxist. He wasn't anti-Maoist, as they want us to believe. Mao was absolutely necessary for Deng's structural reforms to take place. Mao plowed the land so that in the future, it could be harvested.

[-] Ildsaye@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago

??

What is "Dengist" about this? The base tending to be predominant relative to the superstructure is generally uncontroversial among marxists. And nothing in this quotation specifies a strategy of economic development emphasizing private investment. I don't get it.

[-] frisbird@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 month ago

Ultras, Hoxhaists, Maoists, and anarchists love to say that Deng was a counter-revolutionary force, a revisionist, and that his program was anti-communist in nature.

The fact that he chose to use the mechanisms of capitalism to achieve the development of the economic base is the obvious point of contention, but none of Deng's critics have been able to present an alternative solution. Capitalism is a historical process qua social arrangement that emerges from the material base. One can no more skip over capitalism than one can simply push the communism button.

We have not seen an industrial society that did not go through some form of capitalist arrangement. Even the USSR had the NEP. Moving through this phase of industrial development of the economic base requires the efficient allocation of surplus and purely pre-planber micromanaging bureaucracy has not shown itself to be up to the challenge, historically

[-] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

~~Maoists~~

Followers of Gonzalo thought.

[-] Ildsaye@hexbear.net 0 points 1 month ago

Maybe I am missing the context of the quote in the image, but by itself it just sounds like something Lenin or Stalin might have said.

[-] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You're missing the silent '/s'.

[-] m532@lemmygrad.ml -3 points 4 weeks ago

Then add it

[-] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Never talked to an Ultra, I see. Good. Keep it that way.

[-] Ildsaye@hexbear.net 0 points 1 month ago

By "marxists" I do of course mean those who have read and comprehended the primary texts of marxism. Why read or respond to silly letters?

[-] burlemarx@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 4 weeks ago

There are a lot of "marxists" that just read Marx, Lenin and other revolutionary leaders just as if they were reading the bible, removing the context, the history, the contradictions of the time, and even the relations between the leaders themselves. So, from this, some traditions are born where people simply worship Trotsky and hate Stalin, or worship Stalin and hate Trotsky, or worship Mao and hate Deng, or worship Hoxha and hate Tito, or worship Marx but hate Lenin, (these would be some anarchists or left coms)... The list is immense, unfortunately.

[-] big_spoon@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 4 weeks ago

ho-lee sheeit...but being serious, the good ho chi minh was talking about the forgotten knowledge of "freaking material conditions"

[-] Ronin_5@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 4 weeks ago

That’s some conquest of bread shit. /s

[-] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

That's kind of Taoist. "Empty mind/full belly" "Wu wei (wu)."

*Edit: do nothing, win

[-] HorseBear_MowChern@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

From Bác's speech "Bài nói tại Hội nghị đại biểu những người tích cực trong phong trào vǎn hoá quần chúng", delivered in Vietnamese on 11 February 1960 and later published in print on Nhân Dân newspaper's issue 2156 on 12 February 1960. Later, that speech is included in Hồ Chí Minh Toàn tập (2011), volume 12.

This is the quote's Vietnamese original:

Muốn tiến lên chủ nghĩa xã hội thì phải phát triển kinh tế và vǎn hoá. Vì sao không nói phát triển vǎn hoá và kinh tế? Tục ngữ ta có câu: Có thực mới vực được đạo; vì thế kinh tế phải đi trước.

[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 weeks ago

It's not remotely revisionism lol

[-] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 4 weeks ago

Didn't get the sarcasm, I see.

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