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Give me European Alternatives (thelemmy.club)

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Give me some European alternatives to my apps

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[-] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

You have frdroid, fennec for fdroid(a build of firefox without the proprietary stuff) is probably the best browser you can use. Brave is full of bloat, crypto, etc, the ceo also funds anti gay orginizations. Install a few extensions like ublock, decentralize, sponsorblock, etc and youll get the best web experience that is currently possible.

[-] kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 1 points 1 day ago

similarly, kagi funds brave so less directly funds all the same stuff as them

[-] e8CArkcAuLE@piefed.social 79 points 2 days ago

please don’t use brave, it’s just bloatware:

https://piefed.social/c/opensource/p/1649276/you-need-to-stop-using-brave

sorry, i can not offer you a european alternative at this point. there might be, i just don’t know

[-] CumbrianCucumber@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago

Vivaldi's a good European web browser

[-] unknowablenight@piefed.social 35 points 2 days ago

It is Chromium, however, and not fully Open Source. I recommend Librewolf or Waterfox, open source forks of firefox.

[-] imjustmsk@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

OP posted an android homescreen.

[-] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 7 points 2 days ago

Waterfox is on mobile

[-] greendog@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

I'm still pretty new to the foss community (just installed Linux Mint on a VERY old computer so I can get some experience under my belt!) But I was wondering if you knew of a way to download Waterfox without using the Play Store? Thanks!

[-] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 2 points 1 day ago

I don't know where they release it tbh, i use Fennec on mobile which removes the mozilla tracking from Firefox just like Waterfox does, but you can install it from f-droid

[-] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 3 points 2 days ago

Zen browser, while privacy isn't its main focus, has an awesome user interface and a bunch of QoL features and I ended up switching from Firefox.

[-] imjustmsk@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

you can install Ublock origin for the privacy, and change a couple settings to make it on par with librewolf

[-] doctorflynt@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago

also no inbuilt ai as far as i know.

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[-] grinka@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

Maybe replace Brave with Cromite (assuming that OP needs Chromium based browser)? I'm not sure if Cromite is European but it's not controlled by a company and it's FOSS

[-] catdog@lemmy.ml 53 points 2 days ago

Kagi Translate to Deepl.

But the first thing I recommend, is to replace TikTok with no TikTok.

[-] dieTasse@feddit.org 13 points 2 days ago

And Roblox to no Roblox.

[-] maam@feddit.uk 5 points 2 days ago

There’s also Loops as an alternative.

[-] degooglerleon@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago

I'm not interested in using my texts to train AI; are there any other options?

[-] Patch@feddit.uk 39 points 2 days ago

All translation services use AI, and have done for decades. There's pretty much no other way to do it.

[-] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 31 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

You're absolutely right and I think more people need to understand this. What we now call "AI" refers to a lot of things that are not new and have been happening for decades, just without the complete and callous disregard for humanity that the current AI companies are exemplifying.

The thing is, the things they were doing didn't used to be called AI, nobody pretended machine learning models were intelligent. People really need to start learning more of the terminology around these technologies, because it's important, even if you hate them. You might even learn that you don't have to hate all of them, because they're not all the same. AI is an ugly label being painted onto everything in software nowadays with broad strokes and a lot of it is deserved but there is significant room for nuance here and people should endeavor to have a more nuanced understanding of the topic than they currently do. AI is not LLM which is not GPT which is not computer vision which is not machine learning which is not agentic coding which is not tool usage which is not Generative AI which is not chatbots which is not sentience.

"ALL AI: BAD!" is the logic of a simpleton. Don't be a simpleton. Educate yourself, and begin to understand what about it is bad, because there is plenty about it that is very bad indeed. This technology is going to be transformative whether you love it or hate it. Even if it's 100% terrible (and honestly it's not) you still need to know your enemy. Trying to fight against something you don't understand is the first step to losing.

[-] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 days ago

Diabolical to hit them with the "You're absolutely right"

[-] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 7 points 2 days ago

I'm glad it wasn't lost on people. Still gotta have some fun sometimes, especially when I'm pissed off about the state of the world.

[-] TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago

The whole concept of AI is evolving. When OCR was new, that was cutting edge AI. Nowadays, even your phone can pull text out of a photo. It's still based on neural networks, but people don't really think of it as AI any more.

What about the selective background blurring during a video call? Also AI. What about frame generation or resolution up scaling? Also AI. There are lots of examples like this, and people don't really think of them as AI any more.

[-] fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 days ago

The actual issue is that they do think it's AI, meaning, they think the phone is using a local llm model and sending the image there so it magically does the OCR or some shit.

They don't know that there are specialized NN, be it CNN for image processing or RNN for language processing. And frankly they don't need to know, it's not their purview, as long as they don't talk shit as if they knew 😅

[-] TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago

Oh yeah, there’s so much AI in everything we do nowadays. For years now, Apple has been casually mentioning AI in pretty much every WWDC. Until recently, all of it has been easy-to-ignore type of AI. If it doesn’t generate images or text, it doesn’t really feel like “real AI”, and consequently, tends to fly under the radar.

[-] adarza@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago

the one baked into firefox downloads small specialized models and runs on your device.

[-] lemmysmash@beehaw.org 1 points 2 days ago

https://f-droid.org/packages/dev.davidv.translator

Offline on-device translator. Also uses AI because what else?

[-] unknowablenight@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago

A self-hosted AI?

[-] CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 days ago

if you don't want to feed your texts to the corpus for ai training, you better go live in a forest, because anything appearing on the internet inevitably ends up in the training corpus.

If your distaste is particularly about translation apps, then you can selfhost an llm even on your phone, and use it for translation. Even a really small one would be ok, as LLMs are designed primarily for tasks like these, even tho everyone seems to forget this.

[-] blinfabian@feddit.nl 14 points 2 days ago

Brave🇺🇸 -> Vivaldi🇳🇴, Qwant🇫🇷, Ecosia🇩🇪, Mojeek🇬🇧, Waterfox🌐

Tiktok🇨🇳 -> Loops.video🌐

Kagi Translate🇺🇸 -> DeepL🇩🇪 (but from my experience kagi is wayy better)

[-] nathan@lemmy.permisuan.com 2 points 1 day ago

What's the grayed out one?

[-] Staff@piefed.world 10 points 2 days ago

What is TikTok doing there.

[-] nightwatch_admin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Does it matter? The question is whether there is an alternative. I don’t know of any, but I have no need for tiktok-like apps anyway.

[-] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

There are alternatives, but nothing on a large scale. Video hosting is really expensive and hard to monetize. Loops would be the largest.

[-] Staff@piefed.world 2 points 2 days ago

I actually read the post wrong tbh. Thought this was a list of European alternatives.

[-] tirateimas@lemmy.pt 4 points 2 days ago

I would start with

Brave -> Vivaldi
Tiktok -> No Tiktok (wtf)
Kagi Translate -> DeepL

These are the easy ones; then you can consider moving others.

[-] Gork@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 days ago

Camera could be replaced by a European camera maker like Leica.

[-] yuumei@feddit.uk 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Alternative to Ente is Immich which I have recently set up. You need to run your own server but it’s 100x better and it’s open source

[-] degooglerleon@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

I really want to stop using Ente and start using Immich (overall, I want to self-host a lot of services with a server in my own home), but right now I'm not in a position to set up that server yet. Do you have any other alternatives to Ente that don't require self-hosting?

[-] dieTasse@feddit.org 6 points 2 days ago

Just FYI both ente and immich are US based, open source and both can be selfhosted. I tried both and they are both good.

[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 4 points 2 days ago

If no data reaches the US (because it's self hosted) and no money goes to the US (because it's open source), does it matter that the developers are in the US?

[-] dieTasse@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

It probably doesn't, and that was not my point. I am okay using US soft if it's open source. That said US based project might be under certain pressures from the govt which adds a slight amount of uncertainty.

[-] xcel@piefed.social 3 points 2 days ago

Ente can be self hosted?

[-] dieTasse@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

Yes and they made it super easy. I mean kudos to ente basically making it easy not to pay them (I pay them anyway 😀)

[-] pemptago@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

https://ente.com/blog/self-hosting-quickstart/

[-] lena@gregtech.eu 1 points 2 days ago

https://ente.com/help/self-hosting/

Yup! I run it on my VPS for my family with an Exoscale S3 bucket, it's excellent. I only pay for the storage we use.

[-] dont_put_that_there@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago

Games? Brawl stars replacement? Anything?

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