Electron apps are ruining the Windows 11 experience, and even the JavaScript creator has warned against ‘rushed web UX over native,’ but it doesn’t look like that will change Microsoft’s plans. In a post on X and other places, Microsoft reaffirmed its commitment to AI in Windows 11 and encouraged Electron developers to consider using AI in their apps.

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[–] 129 points 5 months ago (1 child)

Microslop Winslop 11 with Electroslop

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  • [–] 119 points 5 months ago* (28 children)

    Today it took almost 30 seconds for the context menu to appear when I right clicked on a file in windows explorer. I mean ffs, if I wanted everything to be a browser, I'd use a chromebook.

    (Inb4 "install linux", it's a work computer and I don't get a say in OS)

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  • [–] 52 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Dude. Same. Windows 11 at work is fucking awful.

    My laptop idles at 12 out of 16 gigs of RAM free.

    Right clicking takes dozens of seconds, especially on a network share.

    Did IT remove a letter mapped network drive? Haha! Fuck you! Windows hangs indefinitely if you open Windows explorer. You gotta fuck around in the registry to remove that shit.

    The only good thing about windows 11 is tabs in Windows explorer. Which MacOS and Linux have had for a gazillion years.

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    [–] 62 points 5 months ago* (13 children)

    The one thing Apple has done an amazing job of over the years is providing a solid, clean, common application framework for all of their systems.

    They've fucked it up recently, but basically, 90% of the time you'd get the same consistent interface design across all apps, with common design language and iconography and accessibility features. They aggressively deprecate so you have to keep that $100 dev fee rolling, but the experience has been good for the the better part of 20 years (post carbon & X11, pre-liquid ass, the cocoa years).

    If everything on Windows is a vibe-coded web app then everything is going to look like different, feel like shit to use, and perform like shit.

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  • [–] 37 points 5 months ago*

    If everything on Windows is a vibe-coded web app then everything is going to look like different, feel like shit to use, and perform like shit.

    I am happy to report: Windows apps that look different, feel shit to use and perform like shit are already available!

    E.g. Teams, the CPU warmer from hell, was rolled out to Windows long ago. It was coded for Electron and couldn't even integrate with Microsoft Windows' taskbar popups. They had to fake one by creating a window that moved itself up from below the screen. Did this break when you changed resolution? Yes it did. Did it break when you moved the taskbar? Yes it did. Did it break when- YES IT DID

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    [–] 48 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Once again, Microslop is a strong contender for Linux Marketer Of The Year award

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  • [–] 47 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    -> push software that needs tons of ram

    -> cause ram shortage

    -> ???

    -> ...profit?

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    At least for Enterprise where the real money is, "???" seems to be https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-365/windows-365-enterprise

    This isn't some grand plan 5d chess. The people running these companies are dumb as hell and lucky. They get convinced from one silicon valley thought leader's blog post that ai and electron are the future and then direct the entire company in that direction thinking they're a great leader who will be remembered for pushing the company in a novel direction at just the right time. They attend a talk by a different thought leader who talks about a future of ai cloud computers that anyone can access from anywhere with more computational power than could ever fit into the shitty laptop they're accessing it from, then they go to the board meeting the next day with their bright new idea to do cloud personal desktops.

    These companies are entirely responding to (nonsensical) market forces and the whims of high ranking individuals within their ranks. It's painful and ridiculous.

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  • [–] 39 points 5 months ago

    Sure, I love it when a 50KB app takes 50MB because some cunt designer only knows HTML.

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  • [–] 36 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    This quote from the article is fucking hilarous:

    Discord has also openly admitted that its Windows app is a resource hog, and it has rolled out a feature that allows the app to restart itself when RAM usage exceeds 4GB.

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    [–] 33 points 5 months ago* (12 children)

    Lack of constraints has killed everything. I hope all the RAM and storage becomes unusable people are forced to work with 3mb again.

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    [–] 30 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Spontaneously I had the idea of entering this forbidden word into a browser, just to see what would happen:

    microslop.com

    The result was truth, and nothing but the truth, I can assure you :-)

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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)
    1. Not really surprising considering Windows seems to be increasingly swapping their native shell components for Web Views (you can tell because sometimes they fail to load (: )

    2. You know it's bad when Brendan fucking Eich is the reasonable one

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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago

    Inner-platform effect in full swing. Windows exists only to run Chrome. Chrome is the new OS layer.

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    If you don't want to write native code, then make a PWA. At least those don't run a separate copy of chrome for each program.

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    [+] 23 points 5 months ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    What do we say?

    MAKE... IT... SHITTY.

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    [–] 19 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Microsoft also make the one app that actually shines in electron: vs code. It's really quite optimised. But somehow they didn't bother learning lessons from that and keep rolling out terrible slop like teams and new outlook.

    It's weird how one company can do things right and also be do incompetent at the same time.

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    [–] 19 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    The next step in app delivery is shipping a full VM with the operating system and the app.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Javascript creator thinks they are rushing things.
    Javascript creator thinks they are rushing things.

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    [–] 17 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I remember when 16 GB was for high work-load workstation tasks, it was not that long ago. Now it keeps getting used up by one single instance of firefox when it is open for too long. Screw javascript bullshit, i just want to use lynx and netsurf already.

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    [–] 16 points 5 months ago

    Yeah sounds like an AI agent decided that.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I'm pretty anti webtech but even I've written GUIs in wails. I hate electron so much, but what makes it worse is that there are so many better options. The people that keep pushing it are stupid*

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    [–] 14 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    This sentence reads like Microsoft is the inventor of Javascript:

    Electron apps are ruining the Windows 11 experience, and even the JavaScript creator has warned against ‘rushed web UX over native,’

    So there's 3 things, either they meant Typescript, they are very wrong or they're quoting Brendan Eich and not attributing it to him.

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    [–] 13 points 5 months ago

    the worst thing about electron apps besides everything about election apps are the fact that there's no shared libraries so you basically have to have a billion of the same node modules on your system for every electron app that you have.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago

    Hi, uh- just incase Slopya Nadella of Microslop happens to read the comments here one day,
    Slopya- please take your sloperating system, print the slop code on A4 paper, fold it until it's all corners. When done, insert rectally.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago

    Windows now Chromebooks?

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I'm not listening to Microsoft anymore

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    [–] 10 points 5 months ago*

    this solidifies two of my predictions from 15-20 years ago.

    1. Microsoft is moving to an "internet required" OS, likely meaning cloud based OS
    2. all apps will become web apps

    1000003241

    my final prediction from then was subscription based access to your operating system, apps, and data. you own nothing. your data is constantly consumed and used to train their products. you will never be able to extract your data and will be forever locked-in to their product. this also means that you will have to pay extra for app use. need to use Photoshop? that's an extra fee. need to use 3D rendering software? thats the ultra package with GPU fees per hour.

    most of this is actually happening under the covers, but nothing is locking us in.

    I would say we have about 5-7 years before the above happens and there's no way back.

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