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Would you ever straight up say to your son, ‘You are a disappointment’?

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[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Never. My son is a person I could never have imagined. I don’t see what relevance my expectations of him are to anyone or anything. I’m not sure I ever had any.

Why should I? Our children are not products we purchased or objects we crafted. They are new beings coming into the universe under our care but for a while.

You discharge that responsibility on their behalf. That’s it. Of course that means setting standards for them to meet, but even this discipline you do for their own sake. You don’t get expect them to be anything.

That’s negotiating with fate - about as pointless as negotiating with death.

[-] laranis@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 hours ago

I once explored the hypothetical of what would make me abandon the love for one of my kids. I went with something awful: imagine we found out they were a gruesome serial killer in secret. I decided after pondering it that I would continue to love and support them even through that. No one else would, rightfully so. But I think it is my duty even when the rest of humanity has abandoned them.

Writing this I thought of a variation. Instead of a serial killer, what if they murdered my spouse or one of their siblings. I'll have to ponder that. I'd like to think I'd have the same unconditional love but I'm really not sure. In that case I might have to admit that I'm disappointed in them.

[-] Strider@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago
[-] angrystego@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

If he turned out to be a cold psychopatic serial killer, I would.

[-] kubok@fedia.io 1 points 3 hours ago

It would have to be very, very bad and it would weigh heavily on my soul if I ever were to speak those words to my children.

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

I can't imagine ever saying that.

[-] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 hours ago

No. Because that's shitty and dumb.

As a parent, it is your responsibility. So if your kid is disappointing you, it is you who have fucked up.

Do something about it.

[-] ickplant@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago

No, like others said I might point out his behavior is disappointing, but never him.

[-] Mantzy81@aussie.zone 20 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Hell no.

I would send him the following:

[-] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 hours ago

I'd be quick to change my ways if Mr. Incredible said that to me

[-] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 21 points 9 hours ago

No, but I would say something like "I am very dissapointed in you for doing X". A kid can't change who they "are", but they can change what they "do".

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

This is a key distinction. To make sure they understand it properly, I usually push it even further to “You did a disappointing thing.”

[-] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 9 hours ago

This is some really heavy parenting. I hope I'd never have to, but if it was warranted it would be very important that it was actionable. I.e., I'm disappointed in you because you're doing [x] and you need to do [y]. It's my job as a parent in this situation to communicate why and how to do better.

[-] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Yes, assuming they have disappointed me.

It's normal to express your emotions.

[-] Ikon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago

I agree thats its normal to express your emotions, but there is a difference between telling someone that they have disappointed you and telling someone that they are a disappointment.

Calling someone a disappointment implies that it is something intrinsic about the person, while saying that someone has disappointed you shows that it is something that they have done and isn't an overarching accusation.

[-] angrystego@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

It's normal to express emotions and it's good to learn to first process them properly and then express them in a healthy way that is not harmful for others.

[-] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Yeah, no.

This 'do no harm' shit is nothing more than toxic positivity.

Pain is part of life. Learn to deal with it and stop trying to avoid it pathologically. You should feel bad for disappointing people. Nobody is harming you by telling you that you fucked up, the only thing that gets hurt is your ego and your insistence nothing you do is wrong because you do it.

[-] angrystego@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

There can be both toxic positivity and toxic negativity. It's good to be aware you can do damage with words. It greatly depends on the situation and words and nonverbal language used. I also feel like saying you're disappointed by the son's concrete behaviour is ok, while saying he's a disappointment (in his whole) is a heavy caliber - maybe the meaning varies regionally or something?

[-] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

someone's entire life can legitimately be a disappointment to themselves, and to others.

and they should be forced to acknowledge that. especially if they want to improve it.

plenty of people are piece of shit their entire lives. look at Rob Reiner's son who ended up murdering his parents who did nothing but right by him his entire life.

[-] spencerwi@feddit.org 10 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

No.

I might, if what they did were severe enough, express that what they did is disappointing. But that's different from branding them with the iron of disappointment-as-identity. Everyone does stuff sometimes that is worse than they aspire to be. The trick is coming back from it, learning and growing and changing.

I remember how it felt the day I asked my mom, after she had screamed at me and hit me a bunch for stuff she made up about me, "what did I ever do to you to make you hate me this much?", and she screamed back "YOU WERE BORN!" And I believed she meant it, because none of this was out of character.

I was 12.

No kid should ever feel the hopelessness and abandonment I felt in that moment.

[-] ephrin@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 hours ago

I’m sorry that happened to you.

[-] OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world 37 points 13 hours ago

No, unless they became a pedophile, serial killer, rapist or something extreme like that

[-] Pholous@piefed.social 9 points 9 hours ago

Being a pedophile isn't a choice, it's a psychological dysfunction. Acting on that impulse is a crime and something to be punished - or treated in a medical facility.

[-] OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

I dont care. If my hypothetical son that will never be born turns into a pedophile and has sex with children, then i will call them a dissapointment.

[-] ickplant@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago

Thank you for saying that. I have worked with MAPs (minor attracted people), and majority of them do not want to offend, and understand they can never act on their desires. They were actively seeking treatment and felt suicidal because of their attraction.

[-] Pholous@piefed.social 6 points 7 hours ago

Also I learned that about half (?) of sexual acts on minors aren't even done by people with pedophilia but because the victims seemed to be vulnerable - so less likely to fight back or tell someone.

[-] ickplant@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

I am not sure about the actual numbers, but what you describe absolutely happens, more often than people realize. These fucks go after vulnerable people.

[-] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 12 points 11 hours ago

Yeah, if he came home spirting a maga hat or a Charlie Kirk t-shirt or something.
I’m raising my kid to be smart and to care about others. So really I’d be disappointed in myself for not being a better teacher.

[-] Gnugit@aussie.zone 24 points 12 hours ago

Yesterday I said to my son "I'm disappointed in you for not catching that fish" (he came so close to catching his target prize fish but it got away).

I felt pretty bad and didn't mean it one bit, I just said it the wrong way around because i was exhausted. Then I spent the next five minutes explaining that I'm absolutely not disappointed in him and that he is an awesome fisherman and that what i really meant to say was that I was disappointed FOR him that he didn't catch the fish that he had been trying so hard to catch for months.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Oh wow that’s a hard one to fix but good job on trying. At the beginning of your comment I was like wtf that’s not his fault!

[-] eli@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I feel like this would be my mindset. Like you're bummed out or disappointed that a certain action wasn't successful, but you're not upset with the person just the event in general.

My kids are still quite young but I've already had to catch myself mid-sentence and reword or rethink how I say certain things. It's hard because at work we're all cursing like sailors but at home we don't want anything like that around the kids...to the best of our abilities.

[-] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 23 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Bruh I'm an Asian son and I've been on the receiving end of these words 💀

Edit: To answer the question. No wtf I'm never gonna say these type of things to my children (if I ever have children)

[-] Nemo@slrpnk.net 6 points 10 hours ago

I wouldn't say that to anybody.

[-] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 14 points 12 hours ago

I wouldn't call any child, as a human, a disappointment, but I believe there are some rare occasions where their actions should be framed as disappointing.

Label the action disappointing, explain the reasoning that led to that conclusion, and explain how it could affect the future for both the parents and the child. Communication is key, and also try to leave some room for the child to grow. The less often you call something disappointing, the more powerful it can be, and can be used as a way to seriously correct behavior.

[-] daggermoon@piefed.world 6 points 10 hours ago

He don't say it but I can see it in his eyes.

[-] IWW4@lemmy.zip 10 points 12 hours ago

His behavior yes. He lack of behavior yes. Never him.

[-] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Yes even though it would be partially my fault if they're racist, sexist , transphobic, join the military or police and so on, that's a failure to raise them on my part and choosing to be a worthless being on their part.

[-] Josey_Wales@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Variation on the theme: would you ever tell your child “You weren’t worth it.”

OP assuming you are asking for a reason, my view after some time is that when a parent make a statement like that it reflects more about the parent than the child.

[-] ptolemai@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

Telling anyone they're a disappointment isn't helpful. Instead ,ask if they can do X or Y and express why you think its helpful.

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