This is a really good point but I feel there is a double edged sword here. Loads of old school bigoted nerds love star trek because for whatever reason they actually don't pick up on the compassionate, far left messaging.

It was also different when 50 years ago, a black woman as bridge officer was scandal to right wing sensationalist media.

The overt and sometimes performative progressive details that are present now push the boundaries in a similar manner to the old boring change, while being much more noticeable to the rest of the audience.

And when they did confront the issues, those issues were alien things, the federation was past all this nonsense and as you say, boring mundane stuff and the alien issues were always "oh we got over that hundreds of years ago, we learned about that in history".

Yep. Good analysis. Probably why I haven’t been able to get along with much of the Kurtzman era Trek. I’ve started Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks and find those two to be actually watchable, but Discovery and Picard I noped out of pretty hard after around a season each, and have no desire to even start Academy.

God that scene in Picard made me immediately stop watching the whole series. There is just no coming back from that.

The same happend for me with the opening scenes from Starfleet Academy. How the heck can you portray a utopia with an introduction that is less humane than what we have now in developed countries?!

It does feel like Star Trek used to be woke, but was a story from the mouths of people who had something to say, to now it’s woke, but in a very icky corporate-sterilized kinda way.

Exactly it, modern Trek's wokeness is diluted and committeed to death, it's the writing equivalent of performative rainbow capitalism from corporations that now toady to the Trump administration.

leaving room for the fact that no matter how much you’ve progressed, you do always have to fight to keep the ideals and society you’ve built

"Vigilance, Mr. Worf."

It does feel like Star Trek used to be woke, but was a story from the mouths of people who had something to say, to now it’s woke, but in a very icky corporate-sterilized kinda way.

I doubt its going to get better, considering what its parent company has become.

Which episode is this?

They honestly don't get it most of the time. It's an honestly horrifying the lack of comprehension of any art form that uses nuance of any sort. It'd like a face blind person that can't recognize their own spouse until they speak, level of unaware.

Yeah Star Trek is being written by idiots that don't understand how to write Star Trek. The message used to be that the social issues we have today would be alien to a future utopian society. It was the aliens had all of these social issues, but the protagonaists have moved past those issues and have to be reminded that humans had these problems in the past. It says we should stop being weird about shit so we can have cool starships.

Now it seems the future utopian society later decides they want to go back to being racist assholes again. I think the writers may have good intentions, but carelessly made a very depressing statement about how these problems will always come back and can never be overcome permanently.

Yeah, and they skipped forwards a 1000 years basically to some post-utopian-post-apocalyptic universe with "the burn".

And it's kinda weird for me that everything pretty much changed less in that 1000 years than it did in the few centuries from our time to the 24th century. And that people like Tilly have no problems going about and even being professors.

Give back space-utopia with story's about plane regular starship missions intercut with some very basic personal life storyline and then have something go wrong with the regular. mission and have that intertwine with the b-storyline about the personal thing at the end and eveyone learns something and is nice to each other.

SNW is soooooo superior to Discovery and Academy. Although I do like that the Doc's back and it's not as bad as Discovery, but...

Goodnight 😴

It doesn't help that a lot of it is simply so out of date now, that it's considered the norm now.

We don't exactly think all that much of Picard being bald, or Janeway being Captain of the Voyager. For us now, they're normal, ordinary things.

Whereas back in the day, it was an unusual choice. There were many jokes about it being natural the Voyager would get into a space accident on its first voyage, because Janeway was in command, for example.