To be clear: I prefer to pay for things instead of having to see ads but 13€ / month!? For a meta product that has inherently user-hostile design patterns even without ads?

Who does this appeal to?

top 50 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] 161 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Just stop using Instagram. I quit mainstream social media (Facebook, Instagram, Reddit,...) and the experience has been quite cathartic.

  • source
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • load more comments (3 replies)
    [–] 92 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    They don’t want you to pay. They set the price artificially high to discourage you so they continue business as usual while complying to the laws. The price is a PITA charge to make it worth their while and to still profit from the ads they would have shown you.

  • source
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I’ve never used IG but I feel like it would be a $3.99/month type of service. This price just tells us they are making way more than that serving ads or that your ad data alone is worth a decent bit of cash.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • load more comments (1 reply)
    [–] 53 points 2 years ago

    You would have to pay me 13 Euro a month to even consider using this platform

  • source
  • [–] 47 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    YouTube premium costs less than that, and that includes a Music streaming service

  • source
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Thanks for the suggestion, YouTube.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I have seen SO many acounts praising youtube premium its bonkers, I refuse to believe that many people are paying for it. ItS gOt GrEaT mUsIC AnD I cAn SuPpOrT mY fAvOuRiTe CrEaTorS. same script every time.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • [–] 40 points 2 years ago

    Just quit, these platform thrive on user generated content while selling your data and now they want money from you so you continue to create content for them.

    All because they make you believe that you NEED them to stay in contact and up to date. In reality it's much nicer to speak with friends personally, show a few pics and talk about your/their experience.

    Too often when i still used that social media crap people would just cut me off with "yeah i've seen that already on fb,insta etc." and no experience shared.

    Being off social media, as weird as that sounds, made me feel more social and it's more fun to interact with ppl again.

  • source
  • [–] 40 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    It's Meta's nonsense reply to being forced by the European data protection authorities (EDPB) to get consent before processing users data, which they should have from the beginning: https://edpb.europa.eu/news/news/2023/edpb-urgent-binding-decision-processing-personal-data-behavioural-advertising-meta_en

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • load more comments (1 reply)
    [–] 40 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    Now we know how much they're making with tracking and ads per user.

  • source
  • hideshow 10 child comments
  • [–] 49 points 2 years ago* (7 children)

    They are still going to be tracking you. That isn't going away.

    They just won't use the tracking for the explicit reason of creating ads for you. But that's only because you are paying for no ads.

    I guarantee the data is logged for all other purposes, and that the data is logged for future ad usage if you ever unsubscribe.

    Secondly this doesn't necessarily equate the profit from your specific ads. This is the result of a legal battle within the EU. That's the only reason it exists. The price is determined as 'high enough to not get into more legal trouble'.

    https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/10/30/ad-free-subscription-versions-of-facebook-and-instagram-to-start-in-the-eu#:~:text=The%20US%20tech%20giant%20is,before%20showing%20ads%20to%20users.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Meta already demonstrably does this. I deleted my real Facebook in like 2016. Around 2019-2020, I created a new burner account to browse Marketplace with nearly all fake info expect my name, phone, and email. And lo and behold all of my friend suggestions are people I know and mostly were on the old account. The most charitable I can imagine is that those suggestion had me in their contacts which they agree to share with Facebook (which is problematic af imo) but it is extremely likely they just retain all of data especially since many of the people I was suggested have never had my current number/email.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    You deleted your real Facebook account... but did you delete the anonymous shadow account...?

    It's not that Facebook hasn't deleted the data from your real account, it's that they keep tons of "anonymous" shadow accounts, each one of us probably has a dozen of them from different interactions with Facebook, and your new account most likely got suggestions from getting paired with those.

  • source
  • parent
  • load more comments (3 replies)
  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    I also think this subscription model has run into criticism from EU legislators/regulators as well, which will have to be decided upon. Basically Meta isn't out of the doghouse yet.

    Really, I'd say strip Meta of all its assets and dissolve the whole thing, maybe try some of the heads for all the shit they've pulled in the ICC? Like failing to act on genocides or actively working to incite mass violence, political unrest, etcetera.

  • source
  • parent
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I think this is much more likely what they think people will pay. And/or what they think a percentage of people will pay that will cover costs/lost revenue from other users leaving. They have basically zero incentive to make it a 1-to-1 replacement.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Products!? I thought they were services...

    Anyway I don't see myself ever paying for social media LMAO, and even less now that I know about the Fediverse... Seems like a VIP lounge for us if you ask me, and I'm okay with that.

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • load more comments (1 reply)
    [–] 33 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    13 euros a month... hahahahahaaaa

  • source
  • hideshow 14 child comments
  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    A number thought up by some yank that doesn't realise that's what our whole fuckin internet connection costs each month 😂

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 13 child comments
  • load more comments (2 replies)
  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Phone got stolen last year. New phone, installed instagram, tried to log into account, but locked out.

    Instagram tech support told me I either had to: 1) take a photo of myself, they'd check if it matched any selfies in my account, or; 2) I had to associate my Facebook profile.

    I'm security conscious enough to not post selfies online, nor use Facebook. Goodbye instagram.

  • source
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • load more comments (1 reply)
    [+] 32 points 2 years ago (1 child)
    load more comments (1 reply)
    [–] 28 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    They forgot the third option: don't use it.

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • load more comments (1 reply)
    [–] 24 points 2 years ago

    It's disappointing that they only exclude the information use regarding ads.

    So they will still track everything users do and profile them, just like any other free user. And they can sell to everyone else who pays for user data (e.g. AI learning, market research etc.). With that wording, they could even sell to ad companies, if they e.g. use the data for some algorithm optimisation in their tech department. So they leave the door open to keep selling the data to 3rd parties, while already charging the user 'starting at' 12.99€.

  • source
  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I want to make the, "free", moniker illegal. Advertisers have to pay money for ads and they get that money from us when we buy their products. In addition to having to look at ads, we also have to pay money for the privilege of looking at them. Any ad supported service is objectively not free. No thanks.

  • source
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • load more comments (2 replies)
    [+] 21 points 2 years ago
    [–] 20 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Lol people actually pay for shit like this ?

    Not to mention $13? Looool

  • source
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I would normally be ok with paying for a service that offered something I valued if it meant they weren't also going to make money from me as a product. This pretty much just says it won't use your data for displaying ads. That's the least important thing to me. I am more concerned with them selling my data or giving my data to organization that are planning to harm me with it. If an app was actually useful and being updated with new user centered features rather than only new monetization features and additionally would agree not to sell my data, ever, and to let me actually delete that data on request, I'd be happy to pay that much.

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • load more comments (1 reply)
    [–] 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)
    load more comments (3 replies)
    [–] 15 points 2 years ago

    wE oFfEr ChOiCe.

  • source
  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    An easy solution for this.

  • source
  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    Even this approach is about to be declared illegal by the EU, then what?

  • source
  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    They definitely coordinated this and did it with all the other social media. Is nobody buying their data anymore? Brave of them to straight up admit they're using your data for ads though, and they're implying it's a bad thing.

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Use fediverse instead. ditch instagram

  • source
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • load more comments (3 replies)
    [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    I've just taken the app off my phone and use adblock when I'm on the desktop browser version. I still need social media to post my work out there (I get clients that way), but I don't need to look at it 100 times a day.

    It's honestly been a big quality of life improvement to take all my social media off my phone. Been a month or two now and I really miss it a lot less than I thought I would and who knows how much time I'm saving.

  • source
  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    this doesn't seem legal. at least - it god damn shouldn't be

  • source
  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    I don't think the European GDPR allows this (forcing ppl to pay for privacy).

  • source
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • load more comments (5 replies)
    [–] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    If you want ad-free use Instander on android

  • source
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • load more comments (2 replies)
    load more comments
    view more: next ›