I was sent this map without a source but I thought it was impressive nonetheless. It shows the SeaWorld parking lot in yellow. The green dot is where Orcas spend their lives.

edit: This is Seaworld San Diego, California

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[–] 231 points 7 months ago (4 children)

To be fair, if you put the Orcas in the parking lot they'd die

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  • [–] 60 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    It's awful how they keep them in captivity.

    For anyone who hasn't seen it, I recommend watching the Blackfish documentary.

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  • [–] 43 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    I have strong feelings about the animals in the Sea World exhibits, particularly the Orcas and Dolphins. However, I contracted for Sea World Orlando for 5 years as an entertainer and often had to be "back-stage" or "back-area." I watched Blackfish and it did NOT represent the experience that I, or any other team member I worked/talked with had. It felt very sensationalist and not grounded in reality (or at least, the reality I witnessed for 5 years). If you watch it, I'd just approach it with some scrutiny, because it really didn't come off as a "documentary" to me.

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  • [–] 42 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Jesus. The SeaWorld parks in San Antonio and Orlando have a much better parking lot to park area ratio (though still fuck em for the animal abuse)

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    [–] 37 points 7 months ago (12 children)

    That's why I don't like zoos, sea world or similar

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  • [–] 44 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    I don't like sea world or zoos either. Also all the shitty safari places which breed wild animals so tourists will pay to see them.

    But it's also a weird position for many zoos who have now become sanctuaries for animals. My zoo, over the past decade, (according to their website) doesn't buy animals.

    During the pandemic, the cops raided some mansion of some drug lord and all the exotic animals were given to the Zoo, where they can live out their lives.

    I think by law, all zoos should follow that philosophy and not be a tourist money making scheme, but a sanctuary for wild animals that were stolen by rich fucks.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    the Philly zoo does a really good job with this as well. all the enclosures are actually decently sized, the animals are well cared for and happy, and they have an overhead tube around the entire zoo for monkeys and such. I let me season pass lapse as it was quite pricy but it every time I went I knew it was well worth it for an actually decent zoo that's about a lot more than just money.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    I went backstage at the Dolisney World Aquarium as part of a Scuba experience, and they said they didn't have any say on whether the cetaceans on exhibit stayed or were released to the wild. They were all animals that had been injured at sea and were there for recovery, and a third-party decided if they stayed or went.

    There was one manatee there they expected to keep for life because it always either rode on other animals or propelled itself by pushing off walls.

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  • [–] 25 points 7 months ago

    To be fair a lot of zoos also act as rehabilitation centres or sanctuaries for animals. These zoos either rescue animals and while they are being rehabilitated are on display for education, or sanctuaries for animals that would otherwise die in the wild so they can live their life in comfort.

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  • [–] 34 points 7 months ago (12 children)

    Here's something I don't understand about these county-devouring parking lots: why are they all one level? Is it more than twice as expensive to build and maintain even a two-level parking structure and save half the footprint?

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  • [–] 30 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    ROI on even a 2 story parking lot is a lot longer than the one and much more expensive than double the price.

    Paving is cheap, easy and other than drainage design is pretty straightforward. Put in drainage, grade land, put down bedding material for the asphalt, put down asphalt and curbing, paint line install signs.

    A multi-story garage needs a ton of engineering, concrete and rebar and is custom to each location. Because you have a lot of weight in these structures

    If you look at amusement parks that have parking garages most of them are land locked or purchasing new land for parking is so expensive it's cheaper to build a garage

    (Please note I'm am a layman about construction, there is probably a construction person or engineer that can explain it better just a theme park fan that likes reading about how the engineer rides and have occasional tumbled over into parking engineering which is a fascinating topic of how much engineering goes into it)

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  • [–] 24 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I used to work as a drafter at a precast concrete company. We mostly built parking garages.

    You're basically correct, paving for a parking lot is cheaper than building a multi story parking garage. A three level parking garage could cost about $20,000,000. And you still have to do the paving on the ground level. The parking garage needs engineering from licensed P.E.'s, hundreds and hundreds of yards of concrete, tons of rebar bent just so and placed just so, thousands of feet of high-strength steel cable, multiple trucks running from our plant to the site over and over to move the parts, then welders, crane operators, grouters, cleanup crew, finishers....

    As opposed to just packing the dirt down, pushing some gravel over it, a bit of rebar and an on-site concrete pour.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    It is more expensive to build multilevel parking but its how the laws work. It might even be that the law required this much parking based on statistical models, which is insane if people are getting there some other way.

    Imo we could reduce the size of parking lots by just requiring nearby businesses to allow unrestricted parking during their off hours.

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    [–] 32 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    There's also no good bus route to sea world

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Are you kidding? The parking fee is an astronomical part of entry fees.

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  • [–] 24 points 7 months ago

    Its actually worse than you think. The city of san diego owns sea world's parking lot because of the original contract. The city sets the base price, and then the corp effectively doubles it cuz ofc they do. That's also why the parking lot is allowed to be so large but the park itself never expands. The city will pretty much always let sea world lease the land for cheap knowing they ultimately get to fix what their guaranteed returns would be. Corporate greed is extremely strong with combined with local government.

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago

    I refuse to ever visit a Seaworld/life/wtf because of this... it's insulting.

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  • [+] 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)
    [–] 17 points 7 months ago

    Just another little reminder that if there is a God somewhere out there, they're certainly not just.

    And why I root for the orca when they sink people's boats.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago

    Well, "Aqua World" sounds better than "Concrete World"

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    It would be good PR either way.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    When I went to Disney World in Japan, there was a train stop that leads right to it. That’s the way to handle it (not drive to a pointless monorail)

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    This is why they maul people

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