Oh happy day when MAGA Karens learn this when they try to vote.
No ma'am, hyphenating your name isn't what's on your birth certificate.
Oh happy day when MAGA Karens learn this when they try to vote.
No ma'am, hyphenating your name isn't what's on your birth certificate.
They've managed to antagonize straight marriages, bravo. This is quite possibly the most effective way to get people to think twice before getting married.
Fascism
Every day that passes, I hate these people more and more.
Does that mean Alabama women are safe?
why would a married name match a birth certificate name? or are they saying they only marry relatives? do women change birth certs when married? I am not a woman.
but funny story i adoped my stepson after his mom died. he was 14 or so. he was issued a new birth certificate and the “mother” area is … blank.
When you're married, you give up your voting privileges. Your husband will vote for you. Oh, he only gets one vote of course.
Also, if you're not married, you've clearly shown that you're not mature enough to vote. A public servant will be designated to vote on your behalf.
If I’m not married can I vote twice?
So we're all getting two last names like Christian people of other countries? Because this is how you get two last names.
Won’t matter when he cancels elections cause we are in multiple wars.
Does SAVE require documentary proof of citizenship to vote, or just to register? As I understand it, documentary proof of citizenship is the specific requirement that's hard for anyone who has had a change of name to meet short of a passport or an EDL in the 5 states that offer one.
Basically it changes the types of id that are accepted at voting booths.
When you vote you already have to have registered with appropriate ID to be counted federally. When you show up at the poll this act will change so that only federally issued ID types will be valid. Birth certificates are the most common but if your current name is different than what you were born with for any reason it won't count.
Of these federal id types most of them are opt in varieties and as such are actually more expensive types of specific ID like passports and "REAL ID". A regular old drivers licence as issued by your state won't be good enough anymore even though your name and listed address were verified by the state and already match the name on the voter registration.
Since these id types are more expensive it can make voting the preserve of those who can afford the time and extra money making it a way to disenfranchise economically disadvantaged voters of all stripes .
SAVE calls for "documentary proof of United States citizenship", which it defines in the act itself. A RealID that also verifies citizenship counts (normal RealID doesn't, and only 5 states that offer an "enhanced driver's license" do), so does a passport, a military ID combined with a record of service indicating you were born in the US, a federal, state, or tribal photo ID showing your place of birth was in the US or a federal, state or tribal photo ID combined with a birth or naturalization record.
Most people will fall in that last category. And most valid birth records explicitly require the record be of the same name. The big question I'm not sure of is if in all the small changes amended to the law by SAVE if documentary proof of United States Citizenship is required to vote or merely to register.
We are also just ignoring the fact that this is all blatantly unconstitutional. At least I'm pretty sure it is but IANAL but apparently knowing or caring about the law and our system of government is not a requirement for anyone in this admin so I feel equally qualified as the idiots voting for this shit.
I mean yeah, it's almost certainly unconstitutional under 24A. But theat requires a SCOTUs who cares about the law and the constitution instead of putting Heritage first, Trump second and all that other stuff a distant third.
When you show up at the poll this act will change so that only federally issued ID types will be valid.
No.
The states need to issue Real ID which is registered by using your birth certificate. For married women, they will also need to show their marriage licence.
The issue is the time that it takes for states to process Real ID and to re-issue marriage licences that have been lost.
The states I've lived in have entirely phased out non-REAL ID cards. You also can't fly without a REAL ID now. They're not some expensive alternate variety you have to opt-in to.
A lot of people still have driver's licences and ID cards that are not Real IDs, you don't need to get one to renew a licence.
Ohio still has non-compliant ID cards. I've yet to need a REAL ID, I don't feel a pressing need to acquire the additional documentation I would need to get a compliant card.
Proof of citizenship is already required to register, bringing proof to the voting booth is the extra hurdle this act brings.
Why on earth is a birth certificate used at all for identification?
Long form or short form? Lol
It's proof of citizenship. But also, here it's a convenient and plausibly deniable way to disenfranchise people who vote differently than them.
Yeah I'm guessing even most MAGA voters don't have a birth certificate handy, and certainly don't have passports. This just disenfranchises MOST Americans.
It's a feature, not a bug.
The enforcement will be extremely selective. We’re talking about Republicans here. They’re not subtle about ignoring the constitution.
Here is a list of allowed document for a similar problem, for employment. Note that it categorizes the possibilities as ID, citizenship, and work authorization, and you may need one each from multiple groups. For example you might use a drivers license as ID and a certified birth certificate as proof of citizenship
It’s not quite the same since this allows identifying as from another country and with a valid work authorization, which do not apply to voting, but very similar
Obviously I’m not saying this is appropriate to mandate for voting but if we were, this is a well thought out answer to that sort of question.
It doesn’t address the voter suppression concern though
The Handmaiden's Tale has this subplot of a woman regretting of proverbially blowing the misogynists.
Seems to me that if your birth name and married name match, this will disproportionately favor people who marry their siblings or other relatives. I wonder what political leaning that particular segment has 🤔
while i get the joke, i just want to make sure it's clear to anyone coming across this understnds that women who elect to change their name in the merital tradition of erasure are more likely to be conservative, and the women who have the documents to prove their identity (like a passport) are more likely to be progressive.
all that said, the focus on how this will impact women, specifically, is frustrating because it's ignoring the biggest groups of people who will be impacted: immigrants and working poor people. we shouldn't tolerate the disenfranchisement of ~30% of women, so we are clear, but we are positioned to disenfranchise ~80% of immigrants and working poor and no one is talking about it. these are people who are less likely to have ANY of the acceptable documents proposed in the SAVE act.
for context, people experiencing poverty are far less likely to be born in a hospital and have a birth certificate, usually depending on a baptism certificate to establish their government name. meanwhile, immigrants may have a passport, but if it's expired that's unacceptable, and a lot of the nations around the world that issued the birth certificates being required by this law in place of a passport can no longer certify birth certificates simply because they aren't existing anymore. i have multiple friends who can't get their birth certificates right now because that would put them at risk of government retribution because they are asylum seekers. for example, my siberian neighbor isn't going to be getting in touch with the Russian government any time soon.
so in conclusion. the aim is to disenfranchise women and minorities. the majority of the women disenfranchised will be conservative. however, the majority of people disenfranchised will be progressive.
and that's no accident.
people experiencing poverty are far less likely to be born in a hospital and have a birth certificate
For example my teen just needed his birth certificate for a new job and we somehow misplaced it. Getting an expedited replacement took almost two weeks and cost $80.
Even allowing for hospital birth and existing records, misplacing documents is all too easy and could easily become an obstacle to voting. If I’m struggling to make ends meet, no way in hell am I willing to pay $80 to vote and I wouldn’t have thought of it two weeks ahead of time
yup. didn't even want to get into duplicate records. but yeah, that's another way this quietly targets working poor people. it disgusts me that 85% of this country supports racist voter ID laws, and that the republicans are using that to fabricate a mandate for even more draconian measures
MAGA women usually are still using their first husbands last name so it’ll suck for them too
"My husband votes conservative for the both of us. A woman's place is serving God and her husband, not having a right to an opinion."
-Conservative women, probably
20-30% of women keep their maiden name after marriage.
Liberal women are roughly twice as likely as conservative women to keep their maiden name.
So yeah, conservative women screwing themselves and also handing a minor edge to liberal women.
If I'm understanding this correctly, passports are also a valid form of citizenship. Passports are usually held by people who lean left, so this could be another advantage the left has in this insane proposition.
I hope passports will remain good enough. I was born to irresponsible teenagers and was legally adopted by one parent, and none of them gave me a copy of my birth certificate. I'm starting to worry that it would be worth tracking it down so I'll have a copy just in case.
This is all so insane, getting our papers in order in case we need to show them to avoid getting disappeared.
No amount of documentation will be sufficient if they want you gone.
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