Wait, you're telling me these SciFi Spartan analogs are GAY?!
When will the Woke end? Next you're going to tell me the Trill are gender fluid!
Is that what those symbiotes are swimming in?
Gay people: Exist and their relationships are depicted in media alongside straight ones, with the same emphasis
Dumb Motherfuckers: WHY ARE YOU MAKING A BIG DEAL OUT OF PEOPLE BEING GAY? STOP SHOVING IT DOWN OUR THROATS!
I wish someone would shove some gay down my throat.
It's the free drugs argument all over again, the right wing promising us good times that never actually happen in real life
It's like that thing where if a meeting has women talking for 20% of the time some men freak out about how it's all women all the time.
They're emotionally keyed up so it feels like a bigger deal, and they're emotionally keyed up so they're not going to rationally assess this. That'd assuming they're acting in good faith to begin with, which is not a given.
I can't tell you how tired I am of the privileged whining about how the onset of equality is discriminating against them.
They think they're losing rights and freedoms when in reality they don't have as many more rights as disenfranchised groups than they used to. It's not a pie chart.
Does someone have an issue with Jay’Den? I think he’s a great klingon. And who says he’s gay? He might be bi/poly like his dads.
Also his sexuality isn’t any more in your face than caleb and tarima and all their smooching.
People will seriously complain about anything won’t they?
I have an issue with him being named Jayden.
See, that is a fair critique. Maybe the house of kraag was watching some human millennial shows?
It must have been another reason, or he would have been named Jeigh-Den 🤷🏼♂️
I really couldn't care less about the whole gay aspect.
However, in my personal head-canon Jay-Den's sensitivity and fear of public speaking doesn't quite line up with how I imagine the mind and emotions of a full-blood Klingon would work. I feel like every Klingon would have the instincts and emotions of a predator/hunter and I haven't quite seen that in Jay-Den. To me the character would make more sense if he was only part Klingon, like Alexander.
Then again, who's to say to what extent stereotypical Klingon behaviour is defined culturally as opposed to genetically? I do think it's interesting and refreshing to see a Klingon acting contrary to cultural norms and I do like the character. The only other Klingon character I can recall who wasn't a full-blown warrior is that one scientist in TNG.
Everyone thinks all Orions are pirates but as Tendi said, “somebody had to build all the starships.”
I’m more inclined to like a Klingon who’s just got a different personality than someone like Worf who never shut the hell up about Klingon tradition since he was always trying to prove he was a warrior.
I’m more inclined to like a Klingon who’s just got a different personality than someone like Worf who never shut the hell up about Klingon tradition since he was always trying to prove he was a warrior.
We already had this in the "exchange program" ep of TNG, when Riker goes on the Klingon ship they aren't acting like Worf, especially the "Klingons do not laugh" bullshit.
It's because Worf has a chip on his shoulder because of his human upbringing and his father not dying a warrior's death
I have a feeling that Worf never shut up because he was raised by humans, so he always felt like he had to prove himself as Klingon
but as Tendi said, “somebody had to build all the starships.”
Relevant comic:
Who exactly fixes the disruptor cannons or shields? Only Klingon chief I’ve seen is this one
I feel like every Klingon would have the instincts and emotions of a predator/hunter and I haven’t quite seen that in Jay-Den.
There was that one doctor klingon in Enterprise and also a lawyer klingon in a different episode of Enterprise. Not all klingons are hunters/predators. Some find honor in helping people.
As for Alexander I think he was so timid for a klingon because of his upbringing, not from his 1/4 human part.
Plus Worf's ancestor the public defender in Undiscovered Country.
Did we ever see Gowron kiss a girl or talk about his wife? No? Gay. It just wasn't a big deal, so they didn't mention it.
He was seeking glory(holes)
So he could put a (susie)dent in them, for honor!
If the existence of a gay klingon is the worst day of your life, I can't even begin to explain how good you must have it.
Klingons should be like ancient earth warriors.
Totally gay
The Romans only considered it gay if you were a bottom. Romane eunt domus
“We never USED to have to see gay people grumble grumble.”
Yeah because they were oppressed and underground! What the fuck, how simple can this get?
"I noticed that those other people exist and and are living their lives, so you must stop shoving them DoWn OuR ThRoAtS!!"
The only problem I have with Jay'Den is his name sounds like one of those stereotype white names, Jaiden. And its purely because memes have blasted those names out of resonability for me. Okaiden.
The thing that gets me is that so many people are talking about a fucking KISS ON THE CHEEK.
But they aren't talking about the fact that this Klingon guy is so different from other Klingons that he didnt want to participate in a hunt and shoot a bird??!
There are many things to complain about, but this gay relationship isn't one of them 👏
I can't believe the people complaining about this. Have these people never met a gay soldier before?
Recently I've been considering learning about Warhammer 40k. I think the deep lore is cool and space marines are a neat concept. But apparently there's this big issue about whether or not women can serve as space marines.
So I briefly looked into it and whether or not the issue is sexism based or lore based, and it seems to be somewhere in the middle, but definitely meta perpetuated by casual sexism. It feels very much like this comic.
Also feels like seeing an interesting box, looking in excitedly, realizing what's inside and having my enthusiasm sucked out of the airlock, and just... Letting the box lid close and then walk away.
Serious question. Would Klingon culture see this as a weakness? They would be unable to reproduce but it's that dishonorable?
The honor system is pretty subjective, I believe Worf was in a catch22 where not joining the Klingons to fight the federation was considered dishonourable but betraying the federation was also dishonourable.
For this situation i would say that creating offspring would be considered honourable but lying to your partner and yourself about your true feelings of love would be very dishonourable.
Also in many context just because you did not do an honorable thing yourself, that does not automatically dishonour you.
Disclaimer: yeah Klingons are fictional and can be whatever we want them to be. And I celebrate and have no issue with Star Trek's continual inclusion of queer characters.
But would it really be so bad if Klingons did not have the same moral and cultural values that humanity does? I think it would make a far more interesting show. It's easy to preach tolerance and acceptance when everyone is culturally more or less the same, but it's a much deeper moral dilemma when there are fundamental differences in the way they view the universe.
And would be much more analogous to cross-cultural differences on Earth today.
I think we've seen too much of Klingons being reasonable enough people when it comes to social issues that I don't think that's a path we should explore if only because there are other means of doing it.
Orville does it a lot like older Trek, which is to say, beats you over the head with a concept you may be experiencing in day to day life and shows the real world consequences of opinions around it. They have a storyline about a Klingon-like race that is strictly male (they sex change the babies if they're not male), the 'right' opinion is very clear by how the main protagonists react, but they can't just overrule another culture or people
In this way, they assert that the learned/educated belief is to let people be who they are, and restricting that only causes pain and trauma and the rift it tears in families can be massive. They flipped the issue on it's head. "Forced sex changes" is the big fear Republicans in the US have been touting this last few decades, so now the uber-masculine species is forced to be all male and any disagreement is systematically squashed and discouraged. But it's so painfully clear the Moclans are in wrong, and the tension of the show comes down to how systems oppress others and the limited options for outside entities to intervene.
Essentially my point is that people WANT a utopian show where the good guys are really doing good things and the universe is mostly on it's way away from the troubles we experience in society today. Orville and Old Trek both asserted that some things have already been handled in Earth's history, like capitalism and gender/sex discrimination, and that people who disagree are anachronistic and often farther behind in other technologies. Call the dumb people dumb on my fantasy show, and do it in a way that let's the audience experience the issue without making it an opinion that holds ANY mainstream appeal outside of clearly-wrong fringe groups.
If it's not a problem for Kirk to kiss Uhura then why should homosexuality be an actual contention point in Star Trek in 2026? Just give us another allegory for it and we'll pick it up and move on
I might be misreading this, but the show isn't making his sexuality the contention point, it's the people commenting on the show online. It has been roughly 5 minutes total (I haven't counted tbh) they dedicate to him and Kyle.
In the show, it's his desire to be a healer and embrace Federation science that causes tension with his family. Of that, I'd argue his family was visibly more angry about him embracing the Federation.
My only hope is the writers are competent enough to see through the numerous subplots they're weaving in a way that isn't too handwavy or drag too many of them them out across seasons.
In the show, it's his desire to be a healer and embrace Federation science that causes tension with his family. Of that, I'd argue his family was visibly more angry about him embracing the Federation.
Given that his parents are a polyamorous throuple it seems likely that if there is any anti-gay bigotry in Klingon culture it wouldn't come from his parents.
There is nothing as manly as gay sex.
Klingon sex is akin to battle. Especially if they are "sword fighting".
The real question would be if a klingon dies during gay sex, would they go to Stovokor?
I feel like it wouldn't matter. Like having a romantic relationship is irrelevant to them, but the joining of houses would be a different story. Even then, the Klingons adopt and add people to their houses with some frequency, so siring an heir doesn't strike me as an obligation so much as making sure the house survives and performs deeds of honor.
It's a shit show for many other reasons, but not this one.
What, you don't like the main character immediately running into and immediately getting crushed on by a princess the moment her species shows up? Or being the main character to come up with a basic idea to appeal to them that a several hundred year old supposedly wise person couldn't? Or that they run formal debates in the future like a dance-off? Or that they often talk like people from the 20th century instead of using more timless and intelligent phrasing?
Or that the show is written more like science-FICTION than SCIENCE-fiction while wearing Trek paint? ... ok ok that one is generic and kinda' applies to all new trek...
Didn’t Seth Mcfarlane make two gay Klingons based on lore?
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