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[–] 53 points 7 months ago (10 children)

I mean.....yeah. The guy who created Bluesky is the same guy who created Twitter originally. What makes you think anything would be different? I'm honestly surprised they're even humoring the idea of decentralization.

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  • [–] 44 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    He also left Bluesky in 2024 after it didn't become the libertarian techbro wankfest he envisioned and was instead heavily populated by folks who didn't want to slob Elon's knob.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago*

    He publicly distanced himself but Bluesky's ownership is very opaque and they do dishonest PR very well so I would not be at all surprised if Dorsey still owns a part of it.

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    [+] 41 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, but it has a good UI and isn't a massive echo chamber so what cha gonna do?

    Normies just get screeched at by tankies and nerds and leave 🤷‍♂️

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    lol, how is it not a massive echo chamber when that has been the constant complaint in countless articles that keep getting made fun of instead of being taken seriously on Bluesky.

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  • Because the most common people complaining about Bluesky fall into 1 of 2 groups:

    People upset that Bluesky isn't tolerating their behavior (mostly Nazis and transphobes angry about the community not letting it become Truth Social 2 or allowing transphobes to harass users, but also certain leftist groups, much like the tankies here on Lemmy)

    People upset that the infrastructure isn't FOSS or some similar complaint about it not being enough (purity test behavior like in every comment section on Lemmy)

    And people saying that Bluesky is an echo chamber tend to fall very heavily into group 1.

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  • [+] 32 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (10 children)
  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    IMO this is unfair and conspiratorial. The people behind Bluesky have been quite clear about where they are trying to go (i.e. not simply replace Twitter), some of those people have a lot of credibility in this area, built up over years. Maybe they make different assumptions about tech and user preferences but I see no reason to assume evil intentions.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    It not necessarily about evil intentions, instead that without an easy off-ramp for users, a platform is eventually guaranteed to get enshittified, especially if they rely on investor money (which Bluesky does, see their post 1, post 2).

    Cory Doctorow wrote a few pieces about the topic:

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago*

    From the second article:

    But I'm not on Bluesky and I don't have any plans to join it anytime soon. I wrote about this in 2023: I will never again devote my energies to building up an audience on a platform whose management can sever my relationship to that audience at will

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Fair enough. But, as you know already, AT Protocol is not chained to Bluesky. Other things are already being built on it (Blacksky for instance). Sure, the startup costs of federation are high, but that was a technical choice. To insist that it's all a plot to become the next evil Twitter continues to feel a bit swivel-eyed to me.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

    This is yet another version of the ridiculous "we're decentralized in theory so it doesn't matter that we aren't in practice" argument which the article does address. In practice it is chained because they are in complete control of the real-world use of it.

    People are even worried about Google's control over Android recently and Google has much less power over AOSP than Bluesky Corp. has over ATproto.

    What is swivel-eyed is believing that Venture Capitalists won't do the thing they've historically always done in the past when they're in control.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    they are in complete control of the real-world use of it

    They're not. I mentioned Blacksky.

    As I understand it, their endgame is that Bluesky will be a big fish in a pond of other fish, and that the best way to get that fishpond is to make Bluesky as good a product as possible, hence the (limited) VC money.

    As a strategy it has risks but so does the alternative. To make the obvious comparison, UX on the fediverse is rubbish, with an incomprehensible onboarding funnel, amateurish design, servers that keep disappearing. There's a reason Bluesky has eaten the fediverse's lunch.

    With respect, I think people here are making this into a sterile religious war when really it's a disagreement about strategy. Some of the people who vouch for Bluesky I have been following for years. They want exactly the same things as most people here. Personally, I see no reason to question their intentions.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Blacksky does not fundamentally change the situation. They've got a yearly budget in excess of $100,000 and roughly 0.01% of the users. Bluesky can make all those users completely disappear from the other 99.99% with the press of a button and in the case of Link they did exactly that.

    As for the "let's trust the Bluesky team" idea, that's of course exactly what got everyone into this mess with Twitter. The leadership can change. The investors can push them to do what they want no matter how great people the public facing team may seem to be (and honestly some of the things they've done has not inspired trust).

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    OK I get all that and it's not to be dismissed. But their product is better than what we have here. That's why Blacksky built upon it and not upon this, despite the cost. The excessive centralization seems to be more of a human problem than a technical one. Humans take the path of least resistance and Bluesky's resources have allowed it to make a product that the fediverse will never be able to compete with.

    Personally, I get what I want here (I don't use Bluesky) but it's pretty clear to me that I'm not representative (in caring about the principle of decentralization) and neither are you. I'm a pragmatist by nature. Bluesky and AT Proto are an obvious improvement on Twitter. If they have the potential to be a version of decentralization that actually takes off and goes mainstream (because let's be serious, the fediverse is not doing that), then personally I would take that win. It hasn't happened yet but personally I'm not going to spit on it in advance like everyone here is doing.

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  • [–] 27 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    The main argument against bsky is that they're still holding all of your data, unless you self host your own server.

    I don't actually see how Lemmy is much different. Most users are not self hosting on Lemmy either, you're trusting your data to a 3rd party. The main difference seems to be that there's much more centralisation on bsky.

    I think it's entirely reasonable to be wary of any service, be ready to delete your account if it goes to shit or whatever it is you need to do to feel safe.

    But right now, I like blue sky. I've had far more positive interactions on there than I ever had on twitter (even before musk took it over), the lists feature that lets you pre-emptively block entire swathes of dickheads is a game changer (I just block one group, anyone Maga) and I'm having a good time.

    I expect I'll get downvoted for this but honestly I don't care, the world has gone to shit far too much for me to give a crap about what internet strangers think over my own health and wellbeing and right now I'm having a good time and will not apologise for it.

    The second that stops, I'll be leaving bsky.

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  • [–] 26 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    You're right that the issue isn't just trusting a third party in general, that's how it is for most users on Lemmy or Mastodon too.

    The difference isn’t whether you personally run a server. It’s whether the network depends on a single company.

    Bluesky operating basically all of the infrastructure on that network means:

    • they decide moderation policy and what content gets boosted or hidden for everyone
    • they alone can change the rules for access and in general (ads, pay to be seen etc.)
    • they can de-prioritize or cut off third-party infrastructure
    • if the company fails, pivots or is pressured legally (I'm sure the current US government could never do such a thing), the network can effectively collapse

    Here on Lemmy there is no single company that has all that power. If your admin goes bad there are real options to move to and the network will still exist even if they shut their service down. You also have much more leverage over here because you have those options and no operator is drawing in tens or hundreds of millions from investors who get to make the decisions.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    I agree. But it's a bit scary even for Lemmy, given that all the most active communities are currently hosted on the same 1 or 2 biggest instances.

    Also, see what recently happened to LemmyNSFW...

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    [–] 14 points 7 months ago* (7 children)

    It's popularity had nothing to do with the protocol and making cries to such does nothing.

    Make fediverse competitive client wise, and stop screeching at peoples in the center when they call Gavin progressive 🤷‍♂️. It's not the tech that keeps people away, it's the users.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

    Agreed. They're both open on the internet and the data is in many repositories. Moot point (OPs', not yours).

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    [–] 12 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    Why would people here consider Bluesky when Mastodon already exists?

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Bluesky built the platform that people actually want.

    Mainly an algorithmic feed and more relaxed and diverse userbase.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    They captured some hype but nowadays you often see people complain that the userbase isn't diverse and that all they talk about is US politics, there's lots of dormant accounts and the active user statistics have been looking pretty bleak since early 2025.

    Assuming they don't actually have 100M in funding already secured (which i doubt) I think there's some doubt over how long they'll actually be able to continue operating this way.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    If twitter but with less right wing voices is what the people wanted then they will be sorely disappointed when bluesky enshittifies with no real recourse to prevent it. If everyone just hops on over to blacksky or whatever other 3rd party relay exists, they’ve still got the same problem. All the power resides in a single entity. Bluesky’s basic defense of their platform is that if they enshittify then ATProto allows some other benevolent corporation to take their place but has one major flaw. Corporations are not benevolent

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  • [+] 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (11 children)
  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Insanely well said. It seems like the goal with much of the discourse is just "my choice is right and everything else is wrong, and I'll work backwards from there". Not everyone uses social media the same way, not everyone has the same goals, not everyone wants the same features, not everyone values the same levels of privacy. And the running narrative with differing opinions on this seems to just be base-level tribalism. Just look at the insults here, lobbed solely because someone made an account with a social media platform that doesn't align with your preferences.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    This is exactly the dynamic the article was describing: concerns about power concentration get answered with lists of theoretical protocol features instead of engaging with how the network actually operates. Listing technical escape hatches doesn’t address who controls the dominant infrastructure in practice.

    The overwhelming majority of users rely on hosted PDSes, the main relay, and the default appview. Whoever controls those layers controls visibility, discovery, moderation signals, and reach. That’s where practical power sits. Doesn't matter whether migration is technically possible under ideal conditions because if you'll need it they won't be ideal.

    Acquisitions and policy changes can happen quickly. Tools that exist “yesterday” are irrelevant if users don’t act before control consolidates, and history shows that most don’t. Claiming decentralization can wait until the last possible moment ignores how network effects and defaults entrench power long before any formal lock-in occurs.

    It’s also worth noting that the original article isn’t even arguing “the fediverse is better,” yet the response immediately reframes the debate as a comparison. Even if we entertain that framing, the situations aren’t symmetrical. Yes, a fediverse instance can block migrations or misbehave but no single party in the fediverse comes close to the infrastructural dominance Bluesky Corp currently holds across relays, appviews, and user gravity. An individual Mastodon instance misbehaving affects its users. Bluesky Corp fully controls the experience of over 99% of the users on the protocol and so holds the power to shape the experience of the entire network.

    The issue isn’t whether both systems have theoretical weaknesses. It’s where systemic leverage concentrates in practice. And ATProto’s architecture, particularly the cost and complexity of running the more demanding components that need to have a global view of the network, structurally favors concentration at those layers.

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    [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    you mean the social network whose CEO told users to simply stop posting on their platform when she refused to ban a publicly known racist and transphob from the platform? that social network? The social network whose users decided segregating themselves was the best way to use said platform? that one?

    Bluesky is a joke and its userbase are the punchline.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Pretty funny to see this here because this blog post seems like written with AI assistance ("it's not just x, it's y", etc.) and also its author advocates for Nostr instead.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    ("it's not just x, it's y", etc.)

    Keep in mind, the AIs learned from us. So that's a thing in AI responses because humans use that structure. Same with em dashes.

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