As the United States renews its diplomatic push to end Russia's war against Ukraine, Moscow is making something clear: its position has not changed.

While U.S., Ukrainian, and Russian officials met for trilateral talks in January and again in early February — with another round expected next week — the Kremlin has used the same period to restate its position.

As Washington speaks of momentum and narrowing gaps, Russia's most senior officials have publicly dismissed key elements of the proposed framework.

For three consecutive days, from Feb. 9 to Feb. 11, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov publicly undercut suggestions that negotiations were advancing.

His message was consistent and direct: Russia's territorial and political demands remain intact, and any serious discussion must revolve around Ukraine accepting them.

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[–] 89 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Come on, they want a genocide of the ukranian people and to annex the territory.

That's all this has ever been about. Money. Land and resources.

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  • [–] 49 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Also power.

    Ukraine just before the invasion of Crimea had just discovered that the Donbas region had a massive untapped natural gas/methane deposit. It would have ended Russian control of EU methane. Its suspected that is why Putin has been pushing for all of Donbas.

    Its also about trying to make all of the soviet bloc countries stay tied to Russia.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    You have to read past the propaganda and evaluate Russian motives based on their actions, not their rhetoric.

    Based on Russian actions and events, one can easily surmise they want to genocide themselves, and sabotage their country so badly that it will go from a 3rd rate to a 4th rate shithole.

    They want China to annex the eastern portions and Europe to annex to the Urals because they hate themselves more than anything. As good a job as Ukrainians are doing, no one hates and kills more Russians than Russians.

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  • [–] 52 points 6 months ago
    [–] 32 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    So back in 1994 my neighbours and I agreed that I'd give them my anti-theft fog cannons, as long as they promise not to steal my stuff.

    Then in 2014 they sent some buddies in to burgle my place, and got away with a chunk of my stuff - and I know it was said neighbour behind it, because they now openly claim what was taken is theirs (of course, I never agreed with them on that).

    Then since February 2022 they've started regularly burgling my place - in the first few weeks, they tried to take literally everything, but fortunately I hired good security guards and they only got away with about 20% of my stuff (including what they stole in 2014).

    I've been trying to make arrangements for a monitored alarm system that will bring in a large external response if more burglaries happen, but the security company doesn't want to take it on the contract while a burglary is in progress - but they did sell me some gear. I'm still working on getting the contract.

    They say they'll stop trying to burgle my place as long as I promise not to ever get a monitored burglar alarm, to officially sign over the property they've already stolen and to stop trying to get it back, stop buying stuff to protect my property from the monitored security company, and that I fire most of my security guards.

    Do you think this is really their end game, or if I agree, do you think they'll just be back burgling more as soon as I make those promises, with fewer security guards and stuff to protect my house? After all, I did have an agreement with them back in 1994 and they didn't follow that.

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  • [–] 27 points 6 months ago*

    I really wish this war could be over so Zelinsky can get back to making hilarious sitcoms for Netflix

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    What fucking idiots. I feel bad for the (good) people there, but after all the pain and destruction Russia has caused, I hope at the end of this they end up a broken, destitute, isolated nation too weak to ever be a threat to anyone else ever again...

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    The USA has no leverage left to put on Russia, trump is too weak and won't go after Putin.

    The only thing that would change the status quo at the negotiating table is external influence on the battle field by a western power. Something no one wants to commit to in fear of escalation.

    Meanwhile Ukraine will get a raw deal losing a third of its territory with the very real prospect of Russia walking in and taking the rest in a few years time.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    I hope the russian federation dissolves in the next decade. The world will be a better place without them, when moscow is just a small pariah state.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    Anchorage agreement is the the new Ribentropp-Molotov pact I guess

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago*

    Here’s the Deal …Putin can go F himself. Take it or leave it

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    Isn't it as simple as Putin wanting the USSR to be restored?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    No. The USSR wasn't just a federation. It was a entirely different economic model and mode of production. Putin has no interest in getting rid of capitalism. I'm not arguing that the USSR was a workers paradise. But it was something novel that did not exist anywhere else and cannot simply be restored by taking the territory of neighbouring states and subjugating their people.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago

    It’s more nuanced that that - he definitely doesn’t want USSR back in terms of economical or political system as is, but he does want to bring back USSR in the name (to get legacy and accomplishments association) and get the same consolidated power to build the totalitarian oligarchy somewhat similar to USSR, but without some checks and balances that were still present even in USSR

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  • [+] -100 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    No, Russia "wants" an end to the Empire proxy war and the legit Ukraine government that the Ukrainian people wanted to be restored. Not the current Nazi empire puppet put in place by the empire in 2014. Of course I wouldn't expect anything less from an empire propaganda outlet

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I had to look up what the "empire" is because I'm not familiar with Russian propaganda. It's NATO and Western allies, and apparently they're better at manipulating Ukrainian foreign policy than Russia is, so Russia's only option is to go to war.

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