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[–] [email protected] 98 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They do put a lot of "access roads" that are not open to the public.

My new favorite is google maps telling me a route is shorter but it tells me it’s a toll road. But in reality, it’s a ferry across a river that’s only available certain hours during part of the year.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Try OpenStreetMap, if it's wrong you can edit the access rights yourself

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Do you know of a good OSM mobile client for Android?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

OSMAnd, Organic Maps, Magic Earth (my favourite but not open source)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Organic Maps

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

The reason we often have to tell visitors to not trust Google when trying to reach us, is that it often takes them into a really steep valley that is densely vegetated with prickly plants on both sides on the road, with water accumulated at the bottom in the winter and really large and long holes from the water running down the hills. If they don't get the hint that maybe google isn't always giving the best suggestion they risk getting stuck or having their car damaged.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Lmao I experienced the same thing a few years ago, except it's not a ferry, but an actual bamboo raft operated by the locals.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (4 children)

At least with open street map, you can login to openstreetmap.org/edit and mark the bad road as private/gated or even delete it entirely. I did it on a bad road segment in my neighborhood and ride-sharing drivers no longer made wrong turns there (Grab apparently uses OSM instead of Google Maps data).

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (5 children)

You can actually do this with Google maps too. It can take time for them to actually make changes though

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We had this same problem and did just this. 3 years later still no changes. Until my dad happened to be complaining about it at a party and was introduced to a friend of a friend that worked at Google with the maps team. Was finally fixed a week later. So yea a path exists but 3 years is a long time to wait for a simple fix.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I swear they use the Maps Contributor ratings to determine how quickly they make changes.

I've not had any issues getting changes made in a timely manner when I suggest them because I've left a bunch of reviews and photos for places I've visited.

If you never leave reviews or photos, they probably don't trust your suggestions. That's just my guess though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Makes sense that was the only time I used the suggestion tool.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I'm always divided about it. At one hand, I want to help people not getting lost, but at the other, I don't want to contribute to google.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

You can... IF other people do it too.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How? Every single adress is wrong on google for the whole muncipiality since they standarized the road numbering 3 years ago.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Crowdsourcing is nice but I'm not happy about the "don't mark temporary hindrances" thing in OSM, some of them last for months and I can't warn others. Sometimes I even forget the hindrance myself and feel real ~~unsmart~~ dumb.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That seems like a tricky one to moderate. I’m sure they are worried about things being set and forgotten and never repealed.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I understand why, but I also have examples of compromises;

  • Set a marker, it expires after a certain timeperiod. Users "validate" that the hindrance is still there, resetting the timer.
  • Set a marker, "Hindrance here at 2023-11-03"
    • "Expected end"
      • Today
      • This week
      • This month
      • Later (Marked hindrance disappear some time after "Expected end" if no users validate that it's still there, with new "Expected end".

Just some thoughts.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That does seem like a good system for structuring things for users with good intent.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

users with good intent

Oh right, it could easily be abused by traffic trolls. Didn't cross my mind, sometimes my faith in other people are unreasonably high.

Perhaps some sort of validation system, if two users report the same temporary hindrance? TBH I can't be bothered to work out a fool-proof system for a hypothetical solution I doubt will ever be implemented hah.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I may not longer live in Vermont but man I've been wanting to get Google maps updated on all the roads that no longer exists also now I live in Florida I'm finding none of the bike lanes are recognized

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Google might be wrong, or a farmer might be trying to prevent people from using what is legally a public footpath. They sometimes buy the land and then want to take away legal public access to it.

For example: https://fix.bromley.gov.uk/report/3122960

Or https://www.eveshamjournal.co.uk/news/23063746.frances-payne-blocked-footpath-set-appear-court/

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You can also submit corrections to Google maps. If they won't correct it, there may be a reason. (Not to say which side of a dispute is right.)

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Google maps doesn't correct shit. I've tried multiple times to get a nonexistent road (literally, i took geotagged photos showing this "road" is untouched brushland) that cuts through my parent's place removed, and they never responded or did anything about it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I’m fairly certain they crowdsource the info. Their initial scan gives them a baseline, then they wait until x number of reports all conferring with each other to have the system either kick it up for review, or make the change automatically if possible.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It took YEARS for me to get Google Maps to correct the location of a local bus stop. It showed up on the wrong street, which screwed up walking directions. They finally fixed it when I submitted a photo of the bus stop along with my report, even though it’s exactly what you see if you check the recently updated street view in the exact location I had been submitting error reports. 🤷‍♂️

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago

This is a true general statement about the existence of Google.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago

"when there's a sign, there's history"

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

That sign has so many practical applications!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

I'm impressed by the kerning on that sign given that it's entirely handwritten in a large font.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You can submit edits to Google Maps. I've done it on a handful of roads in our neighborhood and they were approved within a few weeks...

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I've done it a few times, usually by your fifth submission about an issue over a year or two they finally don't say no we're right you are wrong and edit the driveway\farmers field\60 meter drop into a gully to not be drivable.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I guess we had different experiences, these were relatively new areas where the neighborhood was developed after the map and it didn't seem to be an issue. I suppose the satellite view probably confirmed it easily.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

mine was extremely old roads, had lived there all my life and noticed that two roads in the country with entirely different names were divided by a gully about 200 meters wide and 60 meters deep with NO road or bridge EVER existing there through it. but google argued it was really a road.

other was within 2km of that area, a road into a farmers field.

i sorta suspect they were items added in to spot if someone's stealing googles proprietary map data. like how a dictionary company will throw in a few random fake words to see if anyone copies their text and publishes it as their own.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I've seen a ton of these sort of signs on the national "funny signs" group. Usually they have shitload of drama in the comments.

I love it

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

They are consistently horrible at navigating downtown Providence.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Should have bought a squirrel.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I get that reference. Rat Race!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I live at the end of a cul-de-sac and the main road runs next to my house. However you cannot access my house from the main road. The roads do not connect and there is a wall and fence. That doesn't stop every GPS and delivery app from telling people you can get to my house from there. I can't tell you how many food delivery drivers who never read my directions about turning into the neighborhood. A few have been so dense that I've had to go climb the fence and meet them at the main road because they just couldn't figure it out.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I remember years ago I went to a concert with a friend, we used Google Maps to get back home. It told us to drive straight through a cul-de-sac. I am sure the home owners wouldn't have appreciated it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

This happened to me at my old apartment randomly. After giving the correct directions for month, one day Google decided “no, you have to go to this OTHER road and walk through the alley!”

But of course, there was no alley.

That being said, I put in the request with Google Maps to fix it and it was fixed in about 3 weeks. Took 2 weeks to even figure out why all my deliveries were being delivered a street over, though.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Hey Lois remember that one time I drove my car off a bridge because the map told me to?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

jokes on you, I use osmand :)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

“I did my own research!”

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I've reached one of these spots before

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

The weirdest shit GPS/the post office has done to me in terms of addresses is a certain two small towns I have to verify the address is in the correct city, because for some reason a couple neighborhoods in one of the towns, which is like 20 miles away from the other, have an address that says the other city's name and not the one they are actually in. If you go to the address and it's the wrong city, there's a good chance you'll just be taken into the middle of an empty field.

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