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[–] 187 points 7 months ago (11 children)

I've been the car driver who nearly made jam out of the cyclist in the last panel. I've also been the cyclist hit by a car which was driving in the cycle lane.

Bad road users are everywhere and they use all sorts of transportation. Let's stop with the division and generalisation.

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    [–] 119 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    Who can forget the time a cyclist ran a red light and killed sixteen people?

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  • [–] 27 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The Telegraph and LBC are both right-wing propaganda mills.

    Case in point:

    In 2022, Hilda Griffiths, 81, died after Brian Fitzgerald, a Credit Suisse director and member of the Muswell Hill Peloton cycling club, collided with her while riding with other members at about 29mph in the 20mph zone.

    Police could not prosecute Mr Fitzgerald because β€œthere were no criminal Acts” which could be applied to cyclists who speed, the elderly lady’s inquest heard.

    That's pure horseshit.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago

    Fair but think about hitting and killing a cyclist who had run a stop sign or light. That doesn’t just go away. The person has to live with the trauma of killing another person potentially at no fault of their own.

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    [–] 96 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Give cyclists lanes, so they wouldn't have to stand in a half metre gap between an 18-wheeler and a traffic barrier covered in mix of 19th century soot and souls of the damned. Then they'll follow the rules, case in point: entire Denmark.

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    [–] 72 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Car drivers love to criticize cyclists, but they don't realize they're the real aggressors in traffic. They both do most of the bad behaviors, and have the greater damage potential

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  • [–] 28 points 7 months ago

    All of my worst driving, walking and biking stories are vs a vehicle. I commute in various ways a lot, with tons more opportunities for walkers and other cyclists to be the problem. It is unquestionably drivers in 90% of cases. Most drivers don't deserve to drive.

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    [–] 63 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    In my state they changed the rules where a cyclist can treat a stop sign like a yeild sign, and a stop light like a stop sign.Β 

    the reasoning is this will encourage cyclists to ride through neighborhoods rather than on busier main streets. cyclists need to maintain momentum when riding, and stopping every couple blocks for a stop sign is a huge momentum killer.Β 

    obviously cyclists run a much higher risk of injury in a traffic accident than a driver. also cyclists dont really have blind spots the way cars do. so generally if a cyclist runs a stop, they have already checked for oncoming traffic. yes, there are idiots out there both driving and cycling, but typically if you saw a cyclist run a stop sign, he knows youre there and went when it was safe.Β 

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  • [–] 25 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    That's a great law. That's basically how I use them (with lots of care, obviously).

    Which state?

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    yesss, maintaining momentum is an overlooked part of cycling. obviously don't just ignore traffic rules completely and blow through intersections, but losing all momentum especially before a big hill SUCKS

    then you have to reaccelerate to speed match the cars around you, honestly it feels unsafe on the faster streets.

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    [–] 62 points 7 months ago (1 child)
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    [–] 39 points 7 months ago (33 children)

    Ah yes because every driver obeys every law all the time. It's only the cyclists that break laws! No driver would ever consider speeding, rolling through a stop sign, or being aggressive!

    Won't someone think of the poor drivers!!

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago (20 children)

    Your point is well taken, but whataboutism aside, EVERYONE should be obeying ALL the traffic laws. I cycle on public roads myself and I do see other cyclists not stopping at red lights. A bicycle IS a vehicle - it doesn't come with pedestrian rights.

    Or we can just keep escalating finger pointing and law-breaking until the traffic laws are meaningless everyone is dead.

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    [–] 37 points 7 months ago*

    Fucking cyclists causing all the traffic and pollution. Get a car you assholes!

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  • [–] 32 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    This sort of attitude by cyclists is why we lack bike infrastructure in the US. Back in the 70s one weird asshole insisted that bikes be treated like cars and fought against it.

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  • [–] 32 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Build bicycle infrastructure.

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    [–] 30 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    somebody recently posted a video on one of the fuckcars communities about how using boogle maps in Netherlands was impractical. In the same video they were explaining how they removed traffic lights from no car zones.

    traffic lights are necessary because of motorized traffic. When you're cycling you're moving less than a hundred kg at about 15kmh, not +1000kg at 50kmh or more

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago

    It's not like the cars in my neighborhood are obeying traffic signals or roadway laws in general.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago

    Have you ever been cycling at 3-4 am? It's amazing. The roads are so ridiculously spacious when there aren't any cars around and there is nothing to slow you down on intersections and roundabouts. Can definitely recommend.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago

    OP & sympathizers not comprehending the auto industry lobby. πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    This thread is doing a great job of explaining why tribalism around forms of transportation is not constructive.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (28 children)

    My biggest gripe with cyclists is that they act like a car when it's convenient and a pedestrian when it's convenient

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  • [–] 46 points 7 months ago (11 children)

    Cyclists act like a cyclist when it is convenient and like a pedestrian when it is convenient.

    Cyclists act like a car when it is the only way to avoid getting killed in car-centric hellscapes.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    Im a cyclist. I know this bugs people.

    The thing is the only explanation is envy?

    Like if im on the road and then on a path and then back on the road... who cares?

    Obviously you need to be sharing the road or the path with other users and not cutting infront of people, obeying laws, being courteous and predictable et cetera.

    But what really is so offensive about being a more versatile vehicle?

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