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No plant-based diet bullshit or promotion of plant-based capitalism. Veganism isn't about you, it's about historical materialist anti-speciesism, anti-racist animalization, and animal liberation. Ethical vegans only.No omni apologists or carnists. Babystepping is for libs, and we're not here to pat you on the back. Good faith questions and debate about how to fight for animal liberation are allowed.No advocating violence to any species for any reason. If you think this is negotiable GTFO. This includes but is not limited to animal testing, slaughter, and mass euthanasia. Anything that promotes speciesism or the commodification of animals will be removed.Use Content Warnings and NSFW tags for triggering content.
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Take B12. :vegan-edge:
Am I offended to have my struggle compared to our society's crimes our fellow creatures? Do I think it carries with it the implication that I'm beneath moral consideration? No, because I don't consider animals beneath moral consideration.
Damn, dawg. Well said.
I've been wracking my brain (since the struggle session preceding the one preceding today's/yesterday's) trying to formulate an argument in that direction and nothing I wrote was even close to this succinct.
Drawing a hard line of inclusion/exclusion along the boundary of presumed categories is always going to result in a breakdown. One example is the category of "human". Another is the category of "animal".
I wouldn't go around maiming or infecting trees without a good reason for it. I would say that to some extent multicellular plants and fungi have a right not to be abused. On the other hand, there are lots of microscopic animals that I would treat closer to bacteria than to vertebrates. My body will extinguish millions of them without me even being aware of it, and I'm fine with this.
As heterotrophs that can use technology, and among living things that have a tendency towards replicating exponentially, we are ultimately going to have to make some sort of comparative ethical valuation, some hierarchy, amongst living things. The question is whether that valuation framework is sheer and exclusive and merely self-serving, or if it has some connection by degrees to the not-self category.
I use this same logic to say that a fetus is more of a prospective person rather than a living, breathing, perceiving human, and that someone with brain damage to the point where they cannot awaken or sense or process things does not command the same obligations as a human you could meet.
I love how advocating animal abuse and verbally abusing vegans is the only thing on this site that will get your comments removed but can literally never get you banned no matter how often you do it
this is kind of debate tactics bleh so it's whatever but yeah the issue is that parallels (dehumanization etc) between human and animal oppression are basically nonproblematic to oppressed humans who already take animal oppression really seriously but they're explosively offensive to oppressed humans who don't. so ig how sensitive you are talking with carnists about this just depends on where you are on the bully/convince spectrum 