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[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago

Indeed and give the bicycles the right of way like the Netherlands. However, with proper traffic controls and the bicyclists must follow the rules too.

[-] klay1@lemmy.world 7 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

i disagree. There are good and bad separate bike lanes.

In this one, cyclists will be overlooked a lot when crossing the lane. They are hidden behind parked cars.

edit: apologies in advance. I am glad you built this one, which is already a good step in the right direction.

[-] Ton@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago

This is literally how 99 percent of the separate bike lanes in NL are built. Check Not Just Bikes on Nebula.

[-] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 3 points 19 hours ago

I think the idea is that the cars shield cyclists from potential accidents on the road.

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

Though IMO anyone on a bike in areas where they must interact with cars should anticipate right turners going through their lane without even considering if there's a cyclist about to enter that space. Right of way only matters when looking back at an incident to determine if anyone should be fined or arrested.

I do the same shit while driving, just assume that anyone around me might actually be completely incompetent and could try changing into my lane at any moment.

[-] scttgard@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago

This, fucking everywhere!

[-] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago

I didn't know Americans had cycle lanes

[-] moseschrute@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago

I would guess that Boston Massachusetts has the best bike lanes in America, but there are many American cities I haven’t been to. I have bike lanes in my town, but nothing like I saw in Boston. That city takes biking very seriously.

[-] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago

DC and the surrounding areas do it pretty damn well. Tons of dedicated trails and a solid community.

[-] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago

Very good (for America) cycle infrastructure here in Portland Oregon!

[-] moseschrute@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

Haven’t been, but I’ve heard good things!

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago

I hear America is full of cycopaths

[-] ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 19 hours ago

There are like eight cities in the US that give me hope for you guys.

Not a crazy amount of hope, to be clear. But I like seeing this more than the good old find out half of the imperial boomerang.

I have to find a new home at some point and it’s good that not every single community in one continent has decided to continuously shoot itself in the foot at every opportunity. I’ve got friends who moved to Boston and they say it’s nice. Frankly any place where a house costs eight billion dollars better be nice.

[-] akilou@sh.itjust.works 48 points 2 days ago

They plow them too. Same city, different street, this week:

[-] heiligerbimbam@lemmy.wtf 21 points 2 days ago

Wow, here in Germany, the bike path has to be cleared by the residents in many places. You can imagine how well that works. In other words: I've been driving my car instead of riding my bike for the last 3 weeks.

[-] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

Just move to Slovenia. We don't get snow anymore anyway. ಥ⁠‿⁠ಥ

[-] UnfairUtan@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

Oh a Slovenian! I have questions for you if you don't mind 🙏

We're planning to go there by train next summer, and were wondering if it was a good country to visit with bikes, or if you'd recommend a car rental or just trains?

[-] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

You definitely can do it by train. You can also take your bikes on pretty much any train within Slovenia afaik.

Now there are many nice areas to bike here even though there are not as many bike paths as such. I don't know what you want to visit and what kind of biking you usually do so a rental car would be dependent on those things. Many places can be reached via train but many more cannot.

Now if you bike to get around then no issue but if you prefer going somewhere than doing a bike ride that would change things.

[-] UnfairUtan@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

To clarify we either wanted to rent a bike and travel around the country with it + some trains. Or just walking + trains and public transports.

Renting a car would be my least favorite scenario but I wouldn't mind if it's the only good way to visit the country.

As for things we wanted to visit, Ljubljana of course, and then mostly the countryside and the cool nature places Slovenia seems to have to offer.

You can also take your bikes on pretty much any train within Slovenia afaik.

Even ebikes which are larger than regular bikes?

Thanks a lot!

[-] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

Yeah even ebikes pretty sure. Now many nature places can be reached with train and then some biking. But many are quite far from any good connections so until you know a bit more of the specific places you wish to visit I cannot help much

[-] UnfairUtan@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

That's already very helpful, ty so much!

[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 6 points 1 day ago

I'm going to hit my head on that tree's branches

[-] psud@aussie.zone 4 points 1 day ago

One of the best things about recumbents is I'd go right under it

[-] misterbngo@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

yeah there's a bigger tree further up this stretch that I constantly have to duck under

[-] shininghero@pawb.social 3 points 1 day ago

There used to be a few branches like that on the sidewalk to my grocery store. I just bought a pair of shears and read up on how to prune safely.

[-] macke49@lemmy.world 47 points 2 days ago

You a normal bicycle road in the Netherlands in every town. All equipped with own traffic signs and own traffic lights. Even with broader bicycle expressways cross country between towns.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago

Yeah but those would never work in American because our needs are special. We’re “special needs” /s

[-] agingelderly@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

Post pics! It's not that I don't believe you, I just want to be more depressed with my country

[-] drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I'm not the person you're replying to but here's one:

You can just do an image search for "Netherlands separated cycle lane" to see a bunch more.

Here are some videos about road design in the Netherlands you might find interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aNtsWvNYKE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlApbxLz6pA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1l75QqRR48

[-] tyler@programming.dev 14 points 2 days ago

I can guarantee at least one of those links is NotJustBikes without even clicking on them.

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[-] beetus@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's frustrating how many comments are focused on comparisons to the NL. When someone does something hard that was easy for you, do you gloat or do you celebrate their efforts?

Everyone in this community knows that NL has amazing bike infra and this is normal (and better) there.

Hope to see more permanent protected bike lanes in the US. Thanks for sharing OP

[-] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

Appreciate your view and I would love to see more of it.

I live in NJ, which is probably the most suburban state in the US, and so we were built with cars and houses in mind. Fortunately, we are seeing a shift toward biking infrastructure, albeit a little slow, but progress is progress. Jersey City certainly leads the way, and new developments that come online, which there are many, are often required to put in protected bike lanes.

Beyond that, we've seen work started on a Greenway connecting Montclair and Jersey City, nine miles through very dense, urban landscape, where there will be dedicated bike lanes throughout. NJ has so many old rail lines that there's been an effort to turn into pedestrian ways. There's one that comes to mind that's 20 miles. Ideally we would also take some of those old railways and make them unold, and add additional rail lines, but things move slowly in a tiny state with 565 municipalities.

All I know is I'm fortunate to be part of the Northeast Corridor of the US, which is seemingly one of the few places that tries to do some forward thinking.

[-] angelmountain@lemy.nl 13 points 2 days ago

Yeah so this wasn't easy for the Netherlands either. They just started trying earlier, so they had more time to fail and try again. This would maybe not fly anymore in a newly designed street in the NLs now, but it sure as heck looks a lot like some older roads in the Hague that are still waiting on their update to the new guidelines.

So well done guys, you are def. going in the right direction with this 🙏.

The only thing you could maybe argue is why they are not just asking for a bit of help from a Dutch road designer during the design process. I mean, the knowledge is all there already, why not use it? 😉

[-] pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago

And it isn't like it's hidden behind closed doors. They literally have the manuals available online for anyone to access it

[-] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 day ago

Do you have then at hand? I tried looking for them a while ago and couldn't find it

[-] pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

PDF alert, almost every link will lead to a PDF

Amsterdam's Red Book (Handboek Rood), with design standards for street design, and Green Book (Handboek Groen), with standards for street vegetation (only in Dutch):
https://openresearch.amsterdam/nl/page/108424/puccini-methode-handboeken-rood-i-en-ii-en-handboek-groen

Oslo also made their manual available, look for the file "Street-design-manual_ENG" for the english version:
https://www.oslo.kommune.no/gate-transport-og-parkering/veiarbeid-og-vedlikehold/gatenormal-og-normark/

Copenhagen also has it in great details here (Some in Eng, others in Danish):
https://urbandevelopmentcph.kk.dk/mobility-cycling/copenhagen-the-best-cycling-city-in-the-world

Highlights to:
Good, better, best. The city of Copenhagen’s bicycle strategy 2011-2025
https://kk.sites.itera.dk/apps/kk_pub2/index.asp?mode=detalje&id=823

Cycle-Friendly Infrastructure 2024 - Design standards for cycle and road projects in the City of Copenhagen
https://kk.sites.itera.dk/apps/kk_pub2/index.asp?mode=detalje&id=2947

[-] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 day ago

Awesome, thanks!

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[-] MoonRaven@feddit.nl 7 points 2 days ago

From the Netherlands myself. I'm always really happy to see improvements like this elsewhere. I know what it looks like in other countries.

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 4 points 1 day ago

MAGA will ban it, and turn it into luxury vehicle parking.

[-] misterbngo@awful.systems 5 points 1 day ago

If that somehow magically happens in Massachusetts, I will personally go and slash their tires daily

[-] Praxinoscope@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 days ago

I used to live in Somerville! Good town.

I also had my arm broken by a reckless driver hit and run on my bike there, so I'm happy to see bike infrastructure improving a bit.

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[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Ah man, I used to live in this town. I wish the infrastructure had been this good when I was there.

[-] skeezix@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

In my country this is “standard” bike lane.

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[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 days ago

Beautiful, I just wish they hadn’t insisted on keeping the parallel parking and planted some trees instead.

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