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I'll never understand the assertion that it's normal for married people to not get along with their spouse or their spouse isn't their best friend. What exactly do people think the point of marriage is beyond religious reasons?
Be old/conservative, want to have sex at 18 because hormones, you can't unless you're married, get hitched for life to the first attractive person who shows up, wake up in 10 years and realize you married a stranger and you don't really get along.
accidentally play the long game instead
> build community group for shared hobby
> get a few dozen ppl
> group gradually over years expands to be a lot more
> together with friends make a sidegroup with those y'all like talking with, so y'all dont spam the rest of the community under
> continue chatting about hobbies, gay stuff etc
> eventually you and another realise you like each other
> talk with them more
> oops now you have a date
> meet up irl
thats how i got into a queer ass relationship at least, basically the online version of creating/joining a hobby club and realising you like each other.
and tbf, if you think about it, a real good relationship should be that anyways - it's like having best friends but you do much more than that, like cuddling and mrrrping together :3*
shared interests and complementing personalities help amazingly more, tbh. looks are great, but unless if you're going for a short term thingy, i feel like personality is something you should prioritise on. but to each their own.
* like yeah there's fwb but a romantic relationship is a little different. there's this kind of level of trust where you can be truly yourself and tell each other the wackiest shit.
Tbf, I do feel spouses have a duty to hold eachother to a higher standard than friends do. For mutual improvement, growth, etc... And shared ownership/finances is huge. And often raising kids. Marriage is a lot more than just friendship, though that is a massively important part.
Because marrying for love is a very recent development when it comes to the institution of marriage.
Marriage was created for the primary purpose of passing down family wealth, and ensuring that it stayed within the family. Marriage was a tool to secure political and economic relationships first and foremost. For most of history, consent between the couple to be didn't even matter.
This fundamental reason behind marriage predates most religions, who later co opted it.
As time goes by, the actual reason behind traditions gets lost and forgotten, so most people just have some nebulous obligation to marry ingrained within them, e.g. my grandparents got married without even knowing each other, so people should be satisfied with anything better than that.
This extremely problematic history behind marriage is also why some progressives perceive marriage as an oppressive institution that is impossible to reform, and seek to abolish it entirely.
Ten key moments in the history of marriage - BBC News - https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-17351133
So I grew up homeschooled with a conservative Christian mother. A lot of people I knew got married from the same small group of families, right after high school, and started having kids right after. (I know 2 sisters from one family that married 2 brothers from another). It’s what everyone did. Nobody gave themselves any time to meet new people, just married someone their age and the opposite sex they’d grown up with. Also, nobody had sex or lived with one another prior to getting married so you don’t really know who you’re marrying. But when you’re taught from an early age that people of the “world” are misguided and will never understand you, that’s what you get. I didn’t fall into this, but my brother did.
Ever heard of shotgun marriages?
I am familiar with the term. However they are usually for religious reasons. The notion that one must marry due to pregnancy is arbitrary.
I wouldn't say it's normal, I think that's just cope from people who're scared of being alone or can't afford to live separate.
it's revealing right? there's so much they genuinely do not understand or misinterpret it's amazing they can get through the day without having yet another crisis about how someone they don't like gets human rights or does something they think their god doesn't approve of.
Marriage is really about tax filing and its propaganda from the sex and chocolate industries to say otherwise.
I love my wife very much that's why I want to do intimate things together like fill out form 1040 while cuddling.
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Thank you, now I know what having a stroke must feel like.
what a terrible day to have eyes
As the joke goes:
Baby, this relationship is so good I want to get the government involved!!!
However I really feel that marriage is a vestige of the patriarchy and shouldn’t exist.
“My marriage is better than yours” <= usually people who feel like shit and see no way out.
Proooooojectiooooooon
As for the bottom comment of the screenshot, marriage has typically seen as economic for much of human history. So yes, real marriage is when two people dislike each other and don't get each other off.
It makes me wonder what changed, though. Like the boomers still subscribed to this mindset as shown by the prevalence of "I hate my wife and she hates me" humour. But then it started changing to the point now where even dating seems to be down.
At one point, being alone was considered failure or at least sad. But I've got the mindset of "I'd rather be alone than with a partner that doesn't meet my standards" and I don't seem to be alone in that (heh).
as opposed to real marriage where yo have two people who don't get along and don't get each other off
I've seen so many of these - couples who viciously hate each other yet 'don't believe in divorce'
Well there's also romantic attraction. I know some aros who would love to fuck their best friend without any romance, but alloromantics tend to dislike that because they go and fall in love. Romantic love.
This is me I think. My most long lasting relationship was basically me and my best friend hanging out, living together, and having sex. I loved her a lot but looking back I don't think it was ever quite in the way she wanted me to. We talked about marriage but it never really sat right with me. It's been hard to accept that I might be aro. When I think about it too much I just feel sad because I'm afraid the kind of relationship I really want is impossible. Best friends who bang. I don't want the exclusivity, expectations, or implicit sense of ownership of a romantic relationship. I value my autonomy way too much for that to feel anything but suffocating. I want to just choose to be with my besties every day and oops 30 years have gone by and we're still together vibing and fucking.
Honestly, kinda the most wholesome way of describing the perfect aromantic relationship. I'm ace and deeply romantic, so it can feel hard to relate to what you describe. But I can respect it.
Historically marriage used to be a legal relationship for the purpose of discussing who takes care of the children. Children are really expensive and if it isn't cleared uo who's responsible for them, you end up with a situation where nobody seems responsible for them and the children suffer. To prevent that situation, marriage was introduced.
Marriage was the sale of goods in trade for goods or a further trading relationship.
The goods were a woman and a dowry, the trade was two families having a long term business relationship or if it was royalty then a short or long term peace treaty between countries or fiefdoms.
Likely the discussion of children in case of rich families and royalty back in the day, was how many wet nurses and maids were needed to take care of the children so they could be not seen and not heard until they were adults.
I doubt this is true. They probably had more to do with binding households together than any consideration of the well being of anyone involved. Our modern concept of raising children past the age of 6 isn't even that old.
Appreciate the sentiment and agree with most other comments here.
Even though most people view it emotionally or under whatever religious pseudo authority, marriage is explicitly a contractual relationship similar to a business partnership. That contract creates specific financial and other obligations, liabilities, and privileges that you agree will be overseen by an authority that is in most cases a family court with incredible latitude to make determinations that heavily effect your life and that of your marriage/business partner. So, maybe take it at least as seriously as you would starting a new business with someone.
I have a feeling this person might not be as confident about their sexuality as they are about married life...
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