After immigrants are detained by ICE, there are probably records somewhere of who has an attorney, and who is calling family members or an attorney.
For the immigrants who aren't calling any family or lawyers, the poorest of the poor, people with little to no connection to anyone, who may not even say which country they are from, if the administration were actually trying to kill as many disconnected immigrants as possible in secret, would society know?
For example, if the administration was composed of all types of conservative people, but 30 percent were secretly Nazis or wanted racial genocide, could there be a campaign to not just remove, but kill, immigrants, and the public doesn't find out?
Possible, but highly unlikely.
For starters, if that many were killed, I think it'd be really hard to keep a lid on it these days.
Secondly, I've done a lot of reading on the atrocities of WW2, and two immediate constraints come to mind:
Bodies. While possible, disposing of that many bodies without anyone noticing will be really hard.
The gas chambers of ww2 were only planned during the Wannsee conference in 1942, long after the holocaust actually started. The gas chambers were built because the original plan was not sustainable: People killing other people at an industrial scale. No matter how vile a person is, the human mind was not built to deal with having to mow down swathes of humans with a gun. Even the worst SS troops largely couldn't deal with killing that many defenseless people, even if they were convinced it was "for the greater good". The amount of SS troops who ended up unable to continue due to the mental after effects is staggering.
This is from ONE concentration camp. If they're moving people between these 'detention centers' and fudging the data or straight up not recording anything on where people are, then they can disappear who they want, and by the time their lawyers or family get visit approval it's already too late.
Actively, no. But part of the camps is intentional neglect like thermal insulation in the housing, pack of blankets, poor material quality, pest infested bedding, no screens to stop mosquitoes, etc. The lack of protections means increased mortality and morbidity for the captured.
Since they currently house a few thousand in different centers the likelihood of a quarter of unreported dead is unlikely but not impossible. But they definitely have a short awful future which none affected deserve.
Historically though extermination comes a while after mass incarceration. Much harder to do the latter when the public is aware of the former.
It's unfortunately inevitable at this rate though.
Yes, in the same way most Germans didn't seem to know that the SS camps were death camps, it's very possible -- if not probable -- that these places are either death camps already, or going to become death camps very soon.
There's a reason that the administration is so cagey about allowing Democratic politicians in to see the facilities. The other thing is that concentration camps never start as explicit death camps, and the first casualties are always from things like lack of food and disease. Nothing about this suggests any differently.
I think what's standing between us today and the bottom of the genocidal slippery slope is the (relatively) free media. There are too many ways to check up on them today. Commercial satellites, FOIA requests, people with smartphones. If ICE were building a death camp or digging mass graves now, we probably would find out.
So it's important to look at how CBS gave in and how the pentagon restricts coverage in exchange for accreditation - those are your first dead canaries in the news coalmine. When commercial satellites are suddenly forced to blur or not cover ICE camps ...
I would be surprised if they hadn't killed more people in detention already. The aim of ICE is to be state terror, their people are of questionable character, poorly trained or vetted. A duty of care is probably not first and foremost on their mind. There probably is a way to brush some cases under the carpet. Deaths by "natural causes," "misplaced" death certificates, "corpses" on repatriation flights. The spotlight of public attention needs to be on these motherfuckers constantly.
We're at the early stage of them trying plan A which is mass deportation to hostile countries until they realize how expensive it is. Then they'll move on from there. So is mass killing happening? Not likely. Is genocide in place though? Absolutely.
From what I heard, we had at least 1,300+ people at Alligator Alcatraz disappear, with lawyers and family unable to contact them. A rumor I heard, claimed that Musk had a Neuro-Link laboratory in Florida. I don't know if that is true, but that would be...possible. The Trump Regime certainly lacks the ethics, considering that it is covering for rapists, killers, and constantly lying. It isn't difficult to believe that killing people would be A-OK among MAGA's ranks.
I think it was Noem who joked about feeding the exact number of Latinos in the USA to the alligators. I am inclined to think it wasn't a joke.
I think this is probably happening too. They aren’t being transparent at all and they’re blocking any oversight by the few representatives that are trying to get access to the for profit death camps. I think it’s going to get way worse. All of our representatives are Israeli assets so it’s no coincidence that we’re starting to look like occupied Gaza.
Shocking thought. What history has shown us time and time again: a few decades later a couple of mass graves are usually dug up and witnesses back from the day claim: oh, but THAT wasn’t the intention, or: I never witnessed that, or DT was great president at least he DID something.
The way to do that now is to send them abroad to disappear or die. That's the deflection. Otherwise there are dead bodies in the US and state murder charges with no statute of limitations.
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