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A coworker of mine asked me to help him install Linux, he hasn't tried Linux before but he's sick of Windows.

He is very much into gaming, so gaming support is the first priority. He is also a developer/tester so I suppose that he will also want to have access to dev tools, languages, and other packages like that for personal projects.

My first go-to when recommending to newbies is Mint because it's simple, tried and tested, but I have been hearing a lot about Bazzite lately and see that it offers a very nice gaming experience. However it scares me that there's no typical package management like apt or pacman as I browse their docs, instead it relies heavily on Flatpaks and brew, or even podman images. Will this be a problem as he uses the OS for general usage besides gaming in the long term, would it be better to just go with Mint and set that up for gaming instead?

Feel free to also recommend other distros, but keep in mind that while he is technical, he is still completely new to this so I want things to work out perfectly for his first experience.

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[-] orenj@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

I'd actually recommend whatever it is that you use, OP. Having a friend who is intimately familiar with your distro is way more helpful than one that's theoretically even better but you have limited support for. If they want to make the jump later, they can always do what I did and somehow accidentally become an arch (btw) linux guy after a year in the ecosystem (goddamnit how did this happen, i just wanted to keep using my old craptop, not become a thigh high socks guy).

edit: I'm reading that you're also an archfreak, so I'd suggest Manjaro instead. It's got an easier learning curve and guis, but is arch-based.

[-] Kirk@startrek.website 13 points 19 hours ago

Bazzite 100%. It's the best out of the box gaming distro, and bonus points for immutability (not that your friend needs to know what that is).

[-] root@aussie.zone 4 points 17 hours ago

I do not have first hand experience, but have been told that while Bazzite is excellent for gaming, the immutable nature of complicates matters when it comes to software development, dev tools and stuff of that nature.

[-] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 3 points 17 hours ago

I really like Bazzite and the universal blue project (Bluefin and Aurora) in general. It is the fastest way to get a stable, usable linux installation with a bunch of QoL tweaks without having to follow a "here's top 10 things to do" guide after install. Starting from a stable install is the best way to get used to linux, imo. If you are coming from windows or a mac and the system borks itself or throws up wierd errors during installation or an update, or you have to follow a bunch of guides inputting commands you are unfamiliar with to get basic funcionality working, you aren't going to trust the system enough to switch over to full time. A stable, well functioning system upon install is essential for new users.

It is very possible to do development work, however you will most likely need to be familiar, or willing to become familiar with, a containerized work flow. This is probably a good practice to get into regardless of distro you use. Bluefin/Aurora are specifically is targetted towards developers.

As far as packages go, you use bazaar for flatpak/gui apps, brew for CLI apps, distrobox for any random program from a different distro you might need, and podman for docker images. Layering is a last resort and should be reserved for apps that need to interact on a system level, most often VPNs with custom installers and some password managers.

Flatpak will be set up on install with decent defaults, so permission issues are less of an issue. Distrobox is also set up and easy to dive into if needed. Setting it up this way seperates user apps and system apps and makes the install much less prone to breaking un updates. It also updates in the system and flatpaks/brew apps in background without bothering the user, you just need to restart the machine every once in a while to upgrade to the next version, although this behavior can be modified with a simple terminal command.

Relying on flatpaks/brew means those apps will be up to date and you don't have to wait sometimes months for the distro to get an upgrade, which can happen with non-rolling release distros. Since they are all fedora based, the system will be fairly up to date while not bleeding edge like a rolling release distro, so it is rare to experience kernel regressions or those types of issues.

The default file system is btrfs with seperate system and home partitions, and it's set up to be able to roll back to a previous version from the grub menu if an update causes a problem. This is possible with other distros, but can take quite a bit of effort. I've done it in debian before and it was not intuitive, and if something went wrong after following the guide I followed, I would have no idea how to fix it and would just have to nuke the isntall and start over.

The main difference between the universal blue releases is that Bazzite has steam installed at the system level, and has Gnome, KDE, or KDE plus Steam Bigpicture modes available. Bluefin is Gnome focused, and Aurora is KDE focused, but steam is only available as a flatpak. It is easy to swtich between each release with a simple terminal command and there is almost no risk to your user files when you do so. It just swaps out the system layer and leaves your user partition alone.

This set up will not be limiting or cause problems unless you are wanting to explore different window managers or desktop environments outside of KDE or Gnome, or have an obscure device that the bazzite maintaners haven't installed support for, or have to use a vpn with a custom installer that needs system access, or use a password manager that isn't configured well in flatpak.

[-] DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf 10 points 22 hours ago

Bazzite has newer drivers, ditto for CachyOS Handheld Edition for another SteamOS clone.

[-] Tywele@piefed.social 30 points 1 day ago

Recommend the one you use yourself so you are able to help them in the best way possible.

[-] iByteABit@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 day ago

This is usually a good idea, but I think Arch would be a bit too much for him

Still, any Debian derivative would be just as easy for me to help and also for him to find help online, so that's the main reason I'd choose Mint over Bazzite

[-] jcarax@beehaw.org 3 points 15 hours ago

Yes, but CachyOS might not be, and while it does a bit to make things substantially easier for your friend, you'll have a lot of familiarity with it as an Arch user.

Source: An Arch user for 15 years who just installed CachyOS when I wanted to switch from Cosmic to KDE.

[-] Attacker94@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago

You could put him on to cachy os, iirc it has graphical package management and is built on arch.

[-] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I moved my gf to Kubuntu, all she knows is double click starts her games, open konsole - press up arrow - hit enter to start the G13 kb and every so often click that round icon with the blue dot for updates whenever she feels like it (or something stops working). Oh yeah, kernel level anti-cheat is a dead stop under linux, if he plays any of them, he needs windows so far as I know.

I put flatpak as the default instead of snap (10 seconds), she is now as comfortable as she was under windows, I have also not needed to support her much (except for the stuff I forgot to setup). and for the love of god make sure you show your friend "TimeShift" can't say enough how great that app is, you can ~~break almost anything~~ tinker to your hearts content and recover in minutes

[-] IratePirate@feddit.org 3 points 23 hours ago

This is the correct approach, OP. Bazzite is good, but its immutability is an aspect one needs to get used to and learn to work with. Since you're not (and I'm not saying I am ;), rather stick to something you feel comfortable supporting, because you'll be the one they'll come running to if they have a problem.

[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 2 points 21 hours ago

I've been using Pop!_OS for gaming for a couple years now and it's been great. It's Ubuntu-derived like Mint, and I haven't had much difficulty troubleshooting it, since a lot of the stuff on Ubuntu/Mint forums will work for Pop.

[-] Lawnman23@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Fedora KDE.

Steam and Heroic work fantastic on it.

Has its own App Store for searching for stuff.

Looks similar-esque to Windows so getting around is less painful.

I went Mint>Bazzite>Fedora KDE and couldn't be happier.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 20 hours ago

Bazzite is just Fedora KDE but immutable and optimized for gaming

[-] VoxAliorum@lemmy.ml 1 points 19 hours ago

what does immutable in this context mean? I am guessing you can still install software on bazzite

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 58 minutes ago)

Basically, your OS drive (for the most part, there are exceptions) is read only. Every time your PC boots, it is initialized to your current OS image.

Yes, you can install software on it. For the most part, you default to flatpak, but it also comes preinstalled with distrobox that allows you to access any package manager from any distro you want. You can also install local RPM packages, but you have to update those manually.

They suggest you try to avoid it, but you can also "layer" packages onto your OS image using rpm-ostree. This basically adds the package to the image that initializes at boot. You usually only have to do this with things like VPN software. Maybe.

The result is an extremely stable OS. almost boringly so. Because updates and installed software aren't applied until the system is rebooted, it's essentially impossible for an update to break your install.

Also, rolling back to a previous OS image is trivial and takes like 30 seconds.

It's definitely an adjustment if you're already used to Linux, but it's really not that restrictive, it's just different.

[-] klpy6328964@sh.itjust.works 2 points 22 hours ago

Definitely support this recommendation. Having switched to this from windows a few months ago I can say that it is very stable (after I fixed secure boot issue) and very pleasant to use. Solid built-in apps. Tried GNOME first. Its design was good but just not for me.

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[-] Igilq@szmer.info 16 points 1 day ago

Definitely not bazzaite, it has lots of unremovable bloatware and since it doesn't have native package manager it will be a problem. For gaming i propose cachyos, it focuses a lot on performance in games. They have their own proton, kernel and they even had their own browser

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 20 hours ago

has lots of unremovable bloatware

Such as?

[-] Igilq@szmer.info 1 points 18 hours ago

I havent used it for few month so i dont remember too much but i do remember bloatware such as discord overlay, like some unofficial linux client mod

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 hour ago

Yeah I don't even have discord, let alone any kind of overlay...

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[-] comfy@lemmy.ml 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

he is still completely new to this so I want things to work out perfectly for his first experience.

If you're able to be there for the install, then great. I've had a couple of times where, due to certain hardware, it needs a different sound server or some other workaround. In an extreme case, you might need to fallback to a second choice of distro.

but I have been hearing a lot about Bazzite lately and see that it offers a very nice gaming experience

Is there anything specific you've heard that applies to your friend's needs? (Honest question, I haven't looked deep into it.)

If it's just small things like 'Steam and [etc] is installed already', then you can just do that easily anyway.

no typical package management like apt or pacman as I browse their docs, instead it relies heavily on Flatpaks [snip]

Keep in mind that Mint uses apt and (optionally, but IMO inevitably for a gamer/dev) Flatpaks integrated in their package manager, which has gotten much smoother but still is two different systems which can cause confusion. I don't know how Bazzite handles this.

[-] rozodru@piefed.social 13 points 1 day ago

I'd say Bazzite but I would warn him (and since he's a developer already it might not be a big deal) if he's looking to do any sort of dev work or whatever with Bazzite then prepare to utilize stuff like distrobox, flatpaks, etc to accomplish stuff like that.

That being said as a dev and gamer myself if my first linux experience was Bazzite I might get annoyed. Mint is a great first experience. when I originally tried it well over a year ago though I did have issues with my Nvidia GPU on it and gaming wasn't super great BUT it's been awhile since I've used mint so that may have changed.

Honestly I would suggest start with Mint and just drive it for a couple weeks. If he likes it but feel it's limited for some things then that's when he can expand out to different distros. And like I said maybe gaming on Mint has improved since I last used it. But if he's comfortable with running distrobox and containers then Bazzite is fine.

[-] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 1 points 8 hours ago

Oh yeah I was quite annoyed with bazzite initially with embedded toolchains... The default arch distrobox also runs vscode variants horribly with tons of freezing for some reason. I had to create a new arch distrobox.

Also Saleae Logic2 has a Fedora bug where it takes between 2 and 10 minutes just to open because of logfiles and errordumping and timeouts that is very annoying.

Also menu shortcuts for distrobox only work like for 20% of programs (luckily code-oss is one of them)

And don't get me started on running a VM that can see the local network...

After you get a setup going though, then it is breezy though.

[-] iByteABit@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

I’d say Bazzite but I would warn him (and since he’s a developer already it might not be a big deal) if he’s looking to do any sort of dev work or whatever with Bazzite then prepare to utilize stuff like distrobox, flatpaks, etc to accomplish stuff like that

That's what I figured, I would be very annoyed to have to use images for software I would simply do an apt install for in other distros, so I'll leave out Bazzite from my options definitely

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Bazzite has a developer edition OS image

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[-] Dilligentincubus@piefed.ca 2 points 18 hours ago

I've been using bazzite for going on 2 years now and it's still as good and as easy to use as it was the day I got it. I wouldn't want to use anything else.

[-] deczzz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 day ago

In order of ease of use; Nobara (Fedora based), popOS (Mint/Ubuntu based), cachyOS (Arch based, easy enough to use but might be overwhelming because of the amount of linux jargon going on) over bazzite, depending on your friend ability and wish to tinker around with his OS.

I have had problems even dragging dropping files across apps in bazzite and other immutable distros like bluefin. If your friend is interested in tinkering just a little bit then he will be be banging his head across a wall with bazzite. The community support for these relatively new immutable distros is also quite bad when it comes to edge cases.

[-] tyrant@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

I strongly disagree with the order. To me, nobara has broken more than any of these (quite frequently actually), pop os is clunky and not intuitive, cachy is surprisingly the most stable for me and easiest despite it being arch based. Bazzite I use on my home living room computer and it's been pretty solid. I'm a little concerned with it though because I believe they are having some maintainer issues that might impact future releases.

[-] Adeptus_Obsoletus@piefed.social 3 points 21 hours ago

At the end of the day, Nobara is pretty much a one-man hobby project. Sure, there is a small community around it nowadays but even then, if the main developer decides to drop it, they'd have hard time keeping up. That's why I'm usually hesitant to recommend these types of distributions and I'd rather recommend something tried and tested with a big community build over many years.

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[-] eugenia@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

He should start with Mint, learn the system in general, and then move to Bazzite, CachyOS, Pika or Nobara, which are more game centric.

[-] LordFireCrotch@lemmy.today 10 points 1 day ago

Mint for the community support. He'll have tons of resources if he runs into anything and you're not available. As a dev he should be resourceful in that regard.

But definitely check the kinds of games he's playing. Modern multiplayer games will be a big hurdle if they're not steam verified.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

People who want to play games with kernel level anti-cheat won't be happy with Linux. If that's a must, they'd need to look for other solutions. For all others, Mint is great to get started. Most people just want their computer to work with minimal hassle. That's what Mint excels at.

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[-] ranslite@pie.dasneuland.de 8 points 1 day ago

I use CachyOS for over a year. Mainly for playing.

[-] Tetsuo@jlai.lu 7 points 1 day ago

I think Bazzite is the "easiest". But I think it would be very difficult to tinker for someone not used to Linux. It's the plug and play option. For me the fact that bazzite tries to be immutable is a very good plus for stability on the long run. And somehow fits well for gaming on Linux. The drawback is that these immutable distro are hard to tinker with if you dont have experience with immutable package managers and so on.

CachyOS has maybe a more traditional structure but should offer good performance too.

There is also Nobara and Pop OS.

I'm on PoPOS but it's too recent for me to give feedback for gaming. But it should work well too.

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[-] kronarbob@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

If you are afraid of being limited by flatpak for bazzite, (or any other distro but arch), you can use this :

an Arch container using distrobox that can run in every distro.

This way, you'll have access to the AUR and arch repos in general.

[-] accideath@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago

Can recommend nobara. Has all the game focused stuff bazzite has but it’s just regular old fedora with the dnf package manager underneath.

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[-] a_fancy_kiwi@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

he is still completely new to this so I want things to work out perfectly for his first experience.

Of the two options you gave, I’d go with Mint. If your friend runs into a problem, it would probably be easier to diagnose the issue since it’s just Ubuntu/Debian under the hood.

Once they get used to it, they can try other gaming specific distros if they want to try to get a little more performance.

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