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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net to c/chat@hexbear.net

Talking about this shit phonk edits of him lol.

Guy is a great speaker, I'll give him that
Wish his politics were as cool. Or maybe they were, I don't know a lot about him, but Singapore is hyper-capitalist, from what little I'm told. Anyone got some good theory on Singapore and Lee?

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[-] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's nothing new, trust me. Lee Kuan Yew is mythologized in High Liberal spaces as the dictator that did everything right - though they often don't mention all the ways in which he had to guard his country against American corruption. He's now being mythologized in Alternative Internet Spaces as one of the Elder Statesmen of the new age, who foresaw and influenced the rise of China and the kind which just 'no longer exists in The West'.

Brainworms may apply depending on the viewer. A liberal might see a sober steward of capitalism, while ignoring all the state driven or anti market things that conditioned Singapore's successes. A reactionary might just succumb to Great Man Theory and worship the guy like a fetish symbol for no reason other than the ways Singapore was/is repressive, while ignoring the whole 'forced multiculturalism angle' that defines its relationship with the public. I'd say that if leftists were to take anything from Singapore and Lee Kuan Yew it would have to be in contrast with how China does things today. Singapore is a city state. That's by definition not a normal country.

[-] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago

The only other time I've seen him was years ago when Mr. House from New Vegas was compared to him.

[-] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's down to how you curate your algo, really. One day you're watching a Yanis Varoufakis video about China, then its a Kishore Mahbubani video about The East, then its western Expats living in China and, finally, you'll get deep enough to get Lectures from LKY. From then on its only going to get worse.

You might innocently watch a video of John Mearsheimer talking about the Ukraine War again. Then you'll see a crop of John Mearsheimer's head floating around war footage. The final step of the weaponification of John Mearsheimer is an AI Mearsheimer talking about how the dollar is worthless and how everyone, including yourself, should buy gold. Now. Use the link below.

The more time passes the closer we get to the abolition of the British Royal Family and the enthronement of an eternal LLM of Elizabeth II but that's neither here nor there.

[-] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago

It's down to how you curate your algo, really. One day you're watching a Yanis Varoufakis video about China, then its a Kishore Mahbubani video about The East, then its western Expats living in China and, finally, you'll get deep enough to get Lectures from LKY. From then on its only going to get worse.

Yeah I understand that. That's why I noticed this. My tiktok and instagram algos aren't politically charged, and I don't seek out any sort of analysis on those platforms. Getting phonk edits and memes of a dead politician from a far-off country isn't anywhere close to the norm for my algorithms. I don't engage with or really see anything adjacent or adjacent to something adjacent with that.

[-] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think there's something more serious to be said about how uniquely catastrophizing american culture has been for the past 100 years. No empire before the American Empire has so busied itself with its own inevitable end. Movies, books and entire academic careers have crowed about the eventual demise of the United States. This has been ongoing ever since the 'untamed frontier up for grabs' reached the pacific and there was no native or mexican land to redistribute. Often that energy is harnessed in a cynical way too, to spur politics within one talks about the prowess of the Soviets in the high cold war, one envisions a future dominated by Japan in the 1980s and, now, China is at the forefront whenever Israeli demands do not require that the War on Terror be kicked into gear yet again.

So I think there's a strong and even organic demand for videos that confirm certain myths that are baked into internet culture. Goldbugs love videos about the rise of China and dedollarization. Europeans and Americans who are less hostile towards and moreso baffled at the incompetence of local government too add to that demand. And, of course, right wing brainworms will cultivate anything that veers towards 'liberal multicultural pro gay west is dying, the triumph belongs to Russia'. And it's not just westerners either, Asia is very big and has its own contituencies that consume the same things. Hence people like Kishore Mahbubani and Lee Kuan Yew.

I'm probably a year ahead of you because I do watch a handful of interesting commentators often enough and avoiding the chaff doesn't mean my algo will get any better. But I think having a LKY video recommended is only less inevitable than the outright liberal to fascist pipeline that YouTube actively cultivates.

[-] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

He was part of an old guard of capitalist managers. Think FDR style, the pre-neoliberal type that would do things like invest in infrastructure rather than reducing the tax on the rich.

I don't like LKW. But he had quite a far-reaching vision, as tends to come with the territory when there are long term limits or no term limits. I don't have much to praise him about aside from the fact that he wasn't most of the bad things that we see in today's western politicians, but that's like trying to sell a house based on the absence of murderers secretly living in the attic rather than having anything to say about why the house itself is good.

Speaking of housing, didn't he approach the housing market as a public good and less like an arena for speculation? That's the exact policy that makes him one of the old guard of capitalist managers who carefully tended to the economic system so that its excesses and contradictions wouldn't feed back on themselves and create rolling and cyclical economic crises.

Really the only good thing that LKW did was call Australia out for what it really is:

Image is a screenshot of an interview transcript. Dobell: "That quote, or that warning, about Australia becoming the white trash of Asia. I know that you have, in some senses, have disowned that quote or…" Lee: "No I’ve never disowned it. It was said in 1978, 79." Dobell: "Do you think Australia, because of its economic changes, has Australia moved past that danger of being the white trash of Asia?"

Yeah, it's classist because LKW is a capitalist through and through but he's not wrong about Australia being the poor white trash of Asia. I would have put it in different terms but where's the lie?

[-] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah he got australias ass there
I guess there is something to idolise about that old caretaker-type, while still being capitalists. Sort of like a fed working to take down the mob, who has gotten a grudging respect for them after all the years. I think Chapotraphouse had a bit about that with regards to Obama vs. Hillary.
Would you have any good place to start for learning about Singapore? Seems like you know some

[-] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm not sure I'd idolize LKW but I respect the fact that he was part of the cohort that believed that capitalism should serve society and not the other way around. That's still woefully insufficient and it's a critically flawed position, of course, but it's not nearly as deep within the trashcan of ideology the way that society finds itself in today. He's definitely a figure that is idolized by some people though.

As for Singapore, I'm not nearly as knowledgeable as you might think. I don't have any good sources that I can point to you as a good starting place, all my knowledge is the product of the accretion of scraps of info that I've come across over time.

[-] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago

@Cowbee@hexbear.net Have you got any good stuff on Singapore?

[-] Cowbee@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago

No, I know more about the DPRK/ROK, and PRC, the rest of the East Asian countries I have more of a surface-level understanding and need to do more research.

[-] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's an embarassing black spot for me too. I don't know a whole lot about the politics or history of Malaysia, Singapore, Burma or really most of the ASEAN contries outside of the big ones that get discussed a lot online. Guess I'll have to wait for season 14 of Blowback or something.

[-] Cowbee@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago

All you can do is learn more every day. Eventually you'll be better equipped for questions concerning these areas, that's what I do.

[-] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago

You're honestly a role model when it comes to patience and sharing knowledge. I know you get told that a lot, so please don't let it go to your head. You're too good of a type to lose

[-] Cowbee@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago

Haha, I don't deserve it when I get that. I'm just trying to learn, same as everyone else, and I want to help foster an environment where we can educate ourselves and each other dialectically.

[-] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago

Had to go on youtube to look for these, so now that algorithm is going to do the same I assume

[-] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

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