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[–] 91 points 7 months ago (20 children)

Won't be long before we start shooting back. Why not, if they're going to kill you anyway.

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  • [–] 60 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    This is what I don't think they realize. There's only a certain point to which you can escalate violence before retaliatory violence becomes the norm.

    For example, if you're in a warzone, and you know the other side has been instructed to "kill and leave no survivors," you're never going to just lie down and take it, you're going to fight them back, because it's die if you do, die if you don't.

    If this keeps up, there will be a point where ICE killings are so expected, that anyone in their path will take any means necessary to kill those ICE officers first.

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  • [–] 59 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    They fucking realize. It's the goal, that's the only explanation. They want an excuse to roll out their tanks and APCs and start mass executions.

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  • [–] 61 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I've seen people saying this a lot, but the subtext seems to have been overlooked. They're going to do it anyway, they don't need an excuse, they're cops, and they'll simply manufacture a reason to escalate if people don't give them one.

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I think the important thing here is to allow them to manufacture that reason so everyone on the world stage (and the rest of the country) can clearly see it's bullshit. Then it's game on.

    Bullies push and push and push because they want you to take the first swing, then claim you started it.

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago

    So while we wait for them to manufacture that, we let them keep murdering us? Fuck outta here.

    Most bullies are cowards who will retreat when their victim fights back. You see most of those ICE shitstains scatter like roaches when the shots rang out? They’re cowards, 95% of them

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    [–] 67 points 7 months ago (17 children)

    Start arming yourself, every ICE agent is a threat to you.

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    [–] 56 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    I will continue to post this every time someone insinuates that someone else should murder Trump/ICE Agents/ etc. Instead, please focus on protecting you and yours.

    In the US we have the Second Amendment. The fascists have been the ones screaming and yelling about the Second Amendment, but the truth is that all Americans have the right.

    Owning a gun isn't enough. Driving to Cabela's and picking up a vermin killing .22 is not enough. You should buy a proper rifle, a pistol, and a knife or baton. (Bonus points for a shotgun) Then you need to train with said rifle, pistol and knife/baton. Go to a range and shoot. Look for local self defense/hand to hand combat with a weapon classes and train.

    I am not advocating for violence...far from it. But I am advocating for knowledge because owning a weapon and not knowing how to use it is a recipe for disaster.

    PS: If you can afford it, buy suppressors. Especially for your rifles. Suppression for the common citizen isn't about stealth like in the movies, it is about protecting your hearing. Guns are LOUD. Much louder than you expect.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I'd like to add: get something that you can afford to train with. A riffle in some exotic caliber may seem really cool, but if firing 100 rounds ruins you, then you're not going to train enough.

    IDK about ammo prices in the US, but I'd get a riffle chambered in .223rem or .308win, because it's the civilian version of the NATO 5.56 and 7.62, meaning ammunition is easier to acquire and potentially cheaper. I guess a handgun should be 9mm or .45 if following the same principle.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    A suppressor is nice, but also adds length. Think about your use case and whether that makes sense. Also, in the US you have to get on a government registry if you get one. May not be much of a concern since you're already on a registry if you buy a gun. (I know they say there's no registry, but do we really believe that?)

    When training I recommend doubling up on hearing protection. Have some ear plugs and then electronic hearing protection over top. Walkers are cheap and work well enough for most people.

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    [+] 53 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 46 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Jesus Christ, he was on the ground. How was he possibly a threat to them?

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  • [–] 51 points 7 months ago (5 children)
    • "he was reaching for the officer's handgun"
    • "he was resisting arrest"
    • "he was assaulting an officer"
    • "we thought he had a gun on him"

    I'm waiting to see how the administration will spin this one. Obviously the MAGATs will just say "he shouldn't have resisted arrest and he'd be fine right now" for sure, though.

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  • [–] 30 points 7 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 42 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    With this many agents wrestling him he could have had as many guns as you can fit on him, shooting him would still not have been justified. They had way more people that would have been required to have one guy controlling each limb for crying out loud. The dumbass who shot him has put the other officer's lives in danger far more than the guy ever could at that point. And even if you could justify the shooting, the last 5 rounds the officer pumped into the guy while he was laying flat on his back absolutely weren't.

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  • [–] 34 points 7 months ago

    This is what happens when the system fails to enforce the rule of law. The armed thugs have seen that they can get away with murder. They won't stop murdering now.

    How many more must they murder before people start shooting back?

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    [–] 28 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Why would they stop? Because of a witty sign? Because everyone chanted Ice out? Because protests that happen for one day within the permitted area?

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    [–] 25 points 7 months ago (1 child)
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    So. 7 vs 1. And they were not able to restrain him. And then one of the 7, who was closest and on his knees, thought he might as well shoot him.

    1. 7 vs 1
    2. 6 people plus bystanders close by. Stupid to shoot in a situation like that. Unfortunately he did not hit another ICE baby
    3. he had no overview over the situation

    Please start shooting them on sight. In is the only thing that helps. This here was another murder.

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago

    How many more deaths will it take for americans to do something???

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago

    They back off as if it started shooting itself?

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    What the fuck

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    I saw someone post below that they're saying the guy was armed.

    Now, it's hard to tell what's going on exactly in this video, but it looks like the guy in the grey jacket pulls a weapon from the victim's waistband before a shot is fired. The man in grey then runs out of frame with what appears to be a gun in his hand.

    If that was the victim's weapon, then it was taken before he was shot and didn't look like he was reaching for it in the first place.

    This might be baseless from me. I just was watching the video over and over to try to get a sense of what happened.

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  • [–] 22 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    This video is too obscured to tell exactly what happened, but I can say with certainty a man with 6 agents piled on him is not a life threatening situation under any circumstance.

    We need the closer footage from pink coat, but I read she may be arrested and missing.

    Edit - her footage is out

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago

    Did pistol whipping guy shoot him with an accidental pop?

    The discipline of these guys is fucking awful, and that’s the best case scenario. 

    But it looks like they put him on his knees then executed him point blank. 

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago

    Jesus fucking Christ

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