Famously, the human rights gained by movements using violent tactics, such as the abolitionists, suffragettes, the civil rights movement, the ANC, were all very short-lived. Hollow victories, all.

No wonder states rarely solve problems! Their heroin usage is symptom management! /s

The price of empire

Nah, fuck that. What are they supposed to do? Roll over and continue being oppressed? End your oppression not just for your sake but for the sake of everyone else whom they may oppress too.

Yeah, those in power always preach peace to preserve the status quo. But what about the suffragettes? The black Panthers? What about the Italian resistance? What about the Warsaw ghetto uprising?

Sometimes it's not about our souls, not about our own psychical wellbeing. It's about the liberation of all. About justice. About making the bastards pay. About showing the world that there's a limit to what people can be made to do and suffer.

Violence is the last resort of the desperate, no doubt. It's not fun. It does taint. It's fucking tragic.

But we are living in increasingly desperate times. Who can deny that? And its just not about us as individuals anymore. That's the message here.

This is beautiful and I want to agree with you.

Mostly I disagree that violence taints your soul permanently. I believe it is this line of thinking that has led the repetition of violence throughout history. Those who wish to do harm are never treated with strongly enough and so they persist. They are readily allowed access to others to harm as they please. Perhaps we can stave off states doing it with the right government types but there will be those in the general populace that desire harm for others and they will strive to upend that government at all times.

My opinion is: oppression deserves reciprocal violence an order of magnitude above and immediately.

Cor, it’s a good job Hitler killed himself instead of somebody having to live with that evil, init?

This is a fantasy land take that has no basis in reality or human history. At some point, it becomes a matter of physical well being for yourself and those around you. Telling people to just suck it up and take a beating/killing for the benefit of their "soul"...my god. Rejoin the real world buddy. It can be a scary place, but at least it's real, not whatever bizarro world you are speaking from.

You let bullies walk on you, and they will keep doing it. The only thing that will stop them is letting them know that they will pay a real price if they keep at it. Trying to spin this "peace at all costs" worldview is intellectually dishonest and counterproductive.

Thanks Uncle. I'll meditate on your wisdom.

How many times exactly has that happened in history? Revolutions are famously not peaceful. Not that they shouldn't happen, they absolutely should, but the people in power don't just go "oh shucks, guess I'll give it all up!"

There's a reason it's pushed so hard, and it's because people in power don't want to lose the golden goose that is American apathy. They can oppress us as much as they want, and we think having the moral superiority of taking it on the chin makes us strong. It doesn't.

I hate this trope, such unoriginal writing

Counterpoint:

True, the guy who killed Hitler was basically Hitler himself.

The good version of this is in Transformers One.

It's not the least Iron thing to say. Even he said "Azula is crazy, and she needs to go down."

Maybe not kill, but definitely take down and away from wider society to live in a dark, small place.

It’s Iroh-nic, don’t you think?

This is how some of the worst atrocities start

Start? Really? People are being murdered in plain sight without consequences. The governments of the west are collaborating In genocide against Gaza. One in four black men go through jail in the US over their lifetimes. Homelessness is rampant, people are left to die without healthcare, drug abuse skyrockets, people are left unemployed and depressed.

You don't care about "the worst atrocities", the worst atrocities are happening TODAY and you simply don't care because YOU have not been affected so far.

So who is the one deciding who gets taged as oppressor?

The people, democratically, organized in worker councils. Nowadays it's usually old men with wigs deciding who's a criminal, and that's clearly working like shit, we can do better easily.

Do you murder the oppressor's children as well because they benifited from their perents behavior?

No, literally no revolution ever has done this except in politically dangerous situations where keeping royal family members alive means danger of reestablishment of monarchy (e.g. Romanov). You're just doing fake atrocity propaganda for something that literally doesn't happen, and ignoring the millions murdered every single year.

Shouldn’t, not can’t (at least not with that attitude)

but i want a jar of their teeth :c