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submitted 3 months ago by DylanMc6@lemmy.ml to c/socialism@lemmy.ml

i think that the future generation who's raised by ai slop made by clankers would end up supporting a future fascist regime in the us.

how do you think this can be solved?

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 months ago

AI is a tool with certain use cases. Under capitalism, it's used as a vessel for investment and is thrown into everything like a broken, false panacea. Under socialism, it's already being used to help identify patterns, automate production, and is seen more as infrastructure. The over-application of AI to areas it does not meaningfully aid, and in many cases is a detriment, is an issue far larger in capitalism than socialism.

The importance of education and cultural hegemony isn't in the tools themselves, necessarily, but in the class struggle of the state. AI wasn't needed for bourgeois hegemony and fascism in the US Empire, the bourgeoisie used the tools they had. We fight this by mastering the tools they use and correctly agitating among the people for better.

[-] DylanMc6@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago

the weirdest part is that ai slop is also being used for stuff like films, tv shows, commercials (yes, commercials - like in coca-cola and mcdonald's), merch, music, and even kids' material (like in youtube kids). there's gonna be a future generation of people who were raised on ai slop to a point where they CAN'T even tell if something's made by ai or NOT. seriously!

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 months ago

Yep, it's presently being over-applied, but that doesn't mean that's permanent.

[-] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago

Yeah its sick. And people don't even see it, which is scary. Im not susprised though. We said even when the internet began, dont trust it. We need to go back to not trusting it.

Hopefully the next Gen of kids do revolt against it, and i think they will. We need to keep reminding them what they were robbed of that we had (awesome internet, very few ads, media you actually own, no subscriptions, no data harvesting, no surveillance, not to mention less billionaires) otherwise they may assume life was always like this. Keep reminding them how great we had it, how the billionaires destroyed it, and how to get back to a better world in the future.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 months ago

We don't need to move the clock backwards, but forwards, into socialism. Life was not better evenly in the past, and we cannot simply "get it back." History progresses, and trying to move backwards is reactionary, rather than revolutionary.

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[-] DylanMc6@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

how are we gonna teach all that to the next generation of kids who may be uninformed about it and say stuff like "what's a 'physical media'?"?

[-] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Its not hard to teach kids not to be dumb.

When I was 6 I was already well informed on books, what a typewriter was, and what a phonograph was. (Both over 80 year old tech at that time.

I think if less people shoved an iPad in their kids face, it would help.

One very easy example to show the importance of owning media: unplug the router (and take away the phone, which kids shouldnt have either unless its just a flip) teach that subscriptions are just paying to use someone else's computer. Nothing more.

[-] DylanMc6@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

what if some kids sees unplugging the router and taking away the phone as a step too far in parenting?

[-] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago

My reaction to that is theyre a spoiled brat. Seems harsh but I stand by it.

Theyre not entitled to a phone or internet.

However, I wouldn't frame it that way. There's really no need to do that if they are indeed using the tech for good. If all theyre doing is watching ai slop videos and brain rot and talking to bots online, then thats when id stop it and explain why.

It also helps to have a house full of fun stuff that requires no internet connectivity.

[-] DylanMc6@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

is it weird to devote one's time to teaching kids about socialism/communism in their spare time? if so, do you have any reasons why?

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[-] DylanMc6@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

well i started using a pc when i was a toddler, and i remember watching vhs tapes when i was a kid and such. seriously!

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[-] davel@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Fascism isn’t a grassroots movement, it’s an astroturfed one, funded by the bourgeoisie. The problem isn’t the tool (AI) so much as the user and their goals. Bourgeois think tanks & media outlets, like for instance PragerU, are going to produce & distribute reactionary content regardless of what tools are available.

I think it’s best not to adopt this slang term for AI bots given its racist origins.

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[-] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 months ago

It can be solved with vibes, of course, because that's the only thing you've presented here.

Why do you think a future generation raised by ai slop made by clankers would up supporting a future fascist regime in the US? Why do you think the last 200 years of the US hasn't already been a fascist regime? How does ai slop interact with the way fascism develops?

Give us some thing, comrade.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

🏆More patience than I’m usually able to muster.

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[-] m532@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 months ago

So the cool new technology that allows the poors to make stuff they couldn't before will only ever be used to create fascist propaganda? If you really think this, help us change that, by using it yourself.

We can use the working class' numbers advantage to outpropaganda the enemy. Now that the skill floor is so low and the iteration speed so fast, the owning class' "more education access" and "more free time" advantages get greatly diminished.

[-] DylanMc6@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago
[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago

AI has nothing to do with fascism. It's a tool, and the left rejecting the use of this tool cedes this technology to fascists. Meanwhile, I would argue that what makes something slop or not is the intent behind it. Any piece of advertisement made by a human is far more slop than something generated using an LLM by a person genuinely wanting to express an idea in their head. We already live in a culture saturated by slop to the brim. You can't go outside without being assaulted by advertisements on every corner.

[-] DylanMc6@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

is the solution collective ownership of the means of productions, as well as abolition of advertisting?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago

Ultimately that would be the goal, but we have to get there somehow from where we are today.

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[-] novibe@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

Current LLM technology would be a GREAT librarian or archivist.

If it was properly trained to give sources and only use existing texts for the basis of their answers, and they were trained on academic books, articles, manuals, blueprints etc.

You could download one to a computer or smartphone and have every village on earth be capable of building their own power sources, wells, learn about science etc etc.

It shouldnt try to be a “doer”, a coder, a marketer, a writer etc.

But it could basically be the best search engine for texts and guides ever.

[-] DylanMc6@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

i think ai should be used for quick web searching, recreational fun in the comfort of your home and such, but NOT for replacing human talent and NOT for profit (ie: the coca-cola and mcdonald's christmas ads). seriously!

[-] novibe@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago

The issue with “AI” as we have it is that capitalism exists and is the prevailing system around the world. That’s it. Like all tech basically. It only sucks because the worst people control it and use it to make themselves even more powerful.

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