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[–] 152 points 8 months ago (8 children)

If you write something that you base on your previous work, but you don't cite your previous work, that's a problem.

How is the peer reviewer supposed to know who the author is, I thought obfuscating that was the whole point...

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  • [–] 34 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Not always—it depends on the publisher for sure, and possibly the field (e.g., physics, chemistry).

    In biology, you have several models for peer review. Completely blind reviews where both reviewers and authors are anonymized. You also have semi blind models where the reviewers know the identities of the authors, but the authors don't know reviewers' identities. You also have open reviews where everyone knows one another's identities.

    In completely blind and semi-blind models, you occasionally have reviewers that reveal their identity.

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    It's a catch-22 situation. You are supposed to disclose if you wrote the thing you're citing, but also cite in third person, and also it should be obfuscated for the peer review. So, what happens is that you write something like "in the author's previous work (yourownname, 2017)…" then that gets censored by yourself or whoever is in charge of the peer review, "in (blank) previous work (blank)…". Now, if you're experienced in reviews you can probably guess it is the author of the paper you're reviewing quoting themselves. But you still don't know who it is, and you could never guess right whether it is Ruth Gotian or not. So you're back to the tweet's situation.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    How are you supposed to disclose you wrote it? You just include the authors in the cite. You don't write "as I(we) claimed/proved in [paper]", you wrote "as claimed/proved in [paper]". Who cares if you wrote it or not. It should stand by itself.

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    You do need to do that though.

    If someone wants to read further information they need the citations.

    You are supposed to cite all your relevant previous works in each paper you publish.

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  • [–] 32 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    She probably did. But the reviewer won't know that as the paper (should) get anonymized before review. The author's own name will be censored all the way throughout the paper with certain publishers.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    I doubt that since the comment was a suggestion to read and cite herself. If she did cite herself the assumption would be that she did read the citations so the comment would be moot, no? Why would they suggest to cite herself if she already did?

    They only anonymize the author, not the citations right?

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    You are absolutely right, but how are you going to make a fire Twitter post if you can't engineer a situation like this? 🤔

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Fire twitter post that reads as incompetence to anyone who matters in their field... Yeah....

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    When I was in graduate school I got snared into evaluating potential new professor hires. One guy had like a couple of thousand publications, but they were all in journals that he had founded and was the editor of and nobody but himself and his friends ever got published in them. Amazingly, his CV included the publications and also all the journals that he founded and was the editor of. I pointed this out in a meeting and somehow this did not disqualify him from consideration. I was like, is this what everybody in academia does?

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  • [–] 53 points 8 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 52 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    You just have to change your name, go to a conference, stand on the stage and announce, that you are Et al.

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  • [–] 32 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    if you state something based on previous work in the field even if its your own you should still cite it...

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    No should, but must.

    In Academia, stupid as it is, if you use or cite previous work of yours without citing it, it's plagiarism.

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  • [–] 27 points 8 months ago

    That's a win-win

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago*

    Suddenly remembered Mitch Hedberg saying on stage, after some of his newer material didn't land as well, "My old shit's better than my new shit~"

    Maybe you've just peaked, Ruth, lol.

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago

    But are you Ruth Gotianough?

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago

    I am Spartacus

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