Fuck em. This is my first post on Lemmy and I'm happy it exists.
this post was submitted on 21 Jun 2023
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Subreddits belong to the community of users...
Spez, read that again. Slower this time.
It's not even true though. Subreddits belong to the user who creates it, they become the top mod and delegate to other mods. If users don't like how a subreddit is moderated, they are free to make their own subreddit - they aren't supposed to take over someone else's subreddit.
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Dear person volunteering your time and effort for what you thought was a worthy endeavor. We're trying to commodify your work so we can make a killing so don't fuck it up for us.
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"we respect the protests, but we will remove everyone that will protest"
the part "decide that don't want to be a mod anymore" is so infuriating and unrespectful. Like they don't know what's goin on...
Actually, as a mod, that's the strongest action you could take... stop moderating for free for reddit. "Jun 12, 2023 When they're all functioning normally, Reddit boasts nearly 140,000 active subreddits at any given time" according to https://wegotthiscovered.com/social-media/how-many-subreddits-are-on-reddit/ Now imagine 1 in 10 subreddits were abandoned by their mods. That's 14,000 subreddits without moderation. Let Spez take over the role of the Landed Gentry for 14,000 subreddits. If he thinks he's not making money now, how much will he have to pay to take care of all those subreddits?
As much as I agree with you, I have to disagree as well. In the short term they would have to pay their staff to mod those pages. But for how long will it take for them to find another sucker of a mod to do it for free?
Yes it would cost them money but it would not be for long.
But for how long will it take for them to find another sucker of a mod to do it for free?
Modding, especially on larger subs, is a PITA and takes way more time than most people think. You can always find users who say they will do it but in my experience with across several 1M+ subs most new mods will either drop out or go inactive in 3 weeks or less.
Less popular subs in the 250k user range will sometimes only get 1 or 2 volunteers and sometimes no one at all.
It isn't nearly as easy to replace moderators as you're making it out to be.
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That's slippery. Pay one mod, and no more mods will be willing to work for free anymore. The only reason a mod was seen as a volunteer position is because there was an overall informal agreement that the community collectively owned the subreddit, its activity and its content. Reddit just made it very clear that they think the corporation owns the content, and the users that produce the content in the subreddits. The facade is gone, pay one mod and Reddit unravels even faster.
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"Hey mod! Go back working for free so we can make money or we'll take action you peasant. You own nothing. Kneel and obey."
Steve Hoffman probably
Open it back up and just stop moderating it? Make them mildly infuriated that you're acting your wage.
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Alright. They can hire some employees to moderate all of Reddit then.
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Reddit: "Subreddits are for the community of reddit users who rely on them."
Community of reddit users: "We think the sub should stay private, and if you force it open, we'll spam sexy John Oliver and porn."
Reddit: "wait no not like that"
This message is mind-blowingly tone deaf.
It's not tone deaf so much as it's gaslighting. Their intention isn't to get compliance or work through any of the valid concerns - their intention seems to be to cover themselves and give plausible deniability for potential investors.
They're sending this to mods as if they are the audience, which we know is not the case since anything the mods say is not actually considered.
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“Reopen this, or else!”
But they’re carefully avoiding to say or else what. My guess is every next step option would cost them resources at the scale of subreddits they’re reaching out to, so they’re hoping that the empty threat alone will cause some to relent without costing them anything. Right?
What's there to take? Like, these guys are working for free running on their enthusiasm and passion. You make them question whether the community is really worth their time, even if they relent for now, how does that do reddit any good? It isn't like reddit has any actual power over the mods on their ultimate decision of quiting.
Unfortunately, from what I'm seeing in a lot of subs, it's working. You do have protests from places like r/aww and r/pics doing the John Oliver thing, and r/Steam posting about literal steam. But it seems like on the large, threats of people losing their ability to give Reddit free labor is working to get subs back open.
Edit: r/pics changed, they've chosen total anarchy.
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A few days ago I didn't have a single reason to leave reddit. Yet, with so many reasons now, here I am, and I look forward to lemmy and kbin.
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Subreddita belong to the community is not what reddit says when mods abuse their power
Moderating is volunteer work. Spez is a narcissist. Why volunteer for a narcissist?
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lol, "subreddits belong to the community of users..." clearly doesn't belong to the users. That's the whole problem
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LMAO I got this too. Probably just gonna open 'er back up with minimal mod-activity. Let the bots and NSFW problems flow rampant.
Fuck em. God its nice to be able to say "fuck em" without having to worry about elon or spez getting butthurt and banning my account.
Roses are red, violets are blue. Open your sub, or we'll boot you too.
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Fuck Spez, Lemmy is doing alright. (I like community ran solutions better anyway)
They are slowly taking away the platforms of free speech. First they came for the self hosted websites; then they changed the search engine functions; then they came for twitter; now they are at Reddit. Make no mistake this is not just about an IPO. This is about controlling how the public communicates. Discourse is discouraged.
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r/modcodeofconduct is spez. I guarantee it
I love the condescension here - your protest is "taking a break from moderating"
It's corporate rhetoric.
They define the reality they want their audience (press, investors) to see: No protests, no demands, no conflict with Reddit, just moderators not taking their job seriously while Reddit is taking its communities seriously and reaching out in good faith and with empathy.
Then they go all method actor and assume this reality, and start writing.
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Subreddits belong to the community of users…
So you're providing tools to allow democratic control of subreddits, right?
Right?
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It’s hilarious to me that they are telling subs that they can’t just switch the NSFW button on like that, after they recently made the vape communities go NSFW against their will.
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Guessing they’ll just restore a backup from before the shutdown and install new Reddit backed mods. I can’t see this really going any other way. Maybe the subscribed users will drop out of the restored subreddit, but I’m guessing most people just won’t care.
Which is fine. Do you really think a bunch of people who don't care will build a thriving community after Reddit hammers them once, twice, three times, over and over?
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OMG, can you play a reverse uno card on this? So much of this argument is the problem with the changes they are making. So frustrating.
a duty to keep these spaces active Redditors rely on these spaces for information, support, entertainment, and connection.
I thought it was private property lmao. Conversation spaces shouldn't act as public plazas when they're private.
Sounds like "Yeah. Sometimes people accidently fall on the knife with their stomach you know. After that they prefer removing it and putting back for a few times to ease pain"
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"subreddits belong to the community of users who come to the for support" good way to justify kicking a mod with a passion for such a community and forcing people to post only the things you want.
Because if you force people to have fun they'll be happy, of course.
Mhm I just got info that a certain Poo the bear wants to talk to you about strongarming communities. But don't worry, his methods definitely work.
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this is so desperate. they write this stuff to make up an excuse for take away its creators and in the name of the "users". it's just so they can keep up their advertisement revenue im agry
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