The measure was introduced by French conservative lawmaker Celine Imart, who argued it would prevent confusion with traditional meat products.

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[–] 62 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Since this is clearly such a non-issue (seriously, who buys a veggie burger thinking it's actual meat?!) it's just used for distraction from the more important issues the EU / world faces.

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  • [–] 30 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    As a vegetarian, I support clear labeling of vegetarian products (so I don't accidentally eat meat); I'd guess meat eaters would also support clear labeling, so they don't accidentally eat veggie products.

    That said, I would argue that references to sausage, hamburger, hot dog, chili, etc, refer more to the form of the product (shape, whether it's in a wrapping, etc) than the actual specific contents. Just make a rule saying that plant-based "meat" have to be costly labeled as "plant-based" in type 1/3 the size of the form, and move on from this (non)issue.

    The meat manufacturers are only getting their panties tied up because meat is becoming less popular and they want every edge they can get to try to hang on to their market.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    Mostly because forcing them to change the wording means that their competitors have to go through the hoops of changing their packaging and potentially losing money on destroying packaging that has already been made (depending on how much of a heads up they get). It's too just be a nuisance and to slow them down and potentially have less in stores for a little while so the traditional meat manufacturers can try and take back more space on the shelves.

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  • [–] 47 points 10 months ago*

    Maybe they should ban using the word "apple" for things made of metal and plastic.

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  • [–] 37 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Yawn. What a waste of time.

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  • [–] 31 points 10 months ago

    That was whole point of it from the very beginning. Dairy and meat producing lobbyist rejoice at the idea of the EU getting bogged down over regulating their competition. I think it's working out better than they have even dreamed it would.

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  • [–] 27 points 10 months ago* (7 children)

    I feel like switching to a 100% non-animal diet just out of protest.

    A chemistry degree is required to understand the additives in the ingredient list, but 'PLANT-BASED sausages/burgers/whatever' are confusing. Whoever can't figure that out shouldn't be allowed to shop without supervision, in my opinion.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

    Don't know about the place you're living but in Germany the ingredient lists of most vegan convenience products don't need much research to understand. Some examples:


    Seitan Wild West Burger

    1 cup (227 g)

    Protein 60 g, Calories 553 kcal

    • 54% seitan
    • 26% wheat protein texturate
    • sunflower oil
    • onions
    • soysauce
    • yeast extract
    • spices
    • rocksalt
    • riceflour
    • carob bean gum

    Cordon Bleu

    This products naming seems already proactively adjusted to the EU policy as it once was called "Schnitzel Cordon Bleu"

    1 cup (227 g)

    Calories 526 kcal, Protein 20 g

    • Drinking water
    • canola oil
    • wheat flour
    • soy protein
    • wheat gluten
    • starch
    • oat straw fibers
    • iodized table salt [table salt, potassium iodate (in very small amounts in iodized salt, it is considered safe and beneficial)]
    • thickener: methylcellulose (natural fiber from plants), corn flour, natural flavoring, wheat starch, spirit vinegar, spices, sugar, herbs, potato protein, psyllium husks, tomato powder, yeast, table salt
    • coloring foods: concentrates of radish, carrot

    Planted Steak

    1 cup (227 g)

    Calories 413 kcal, Protein 38 g

    • water
    • soyprotein
    • canola oil
    • rice- and beanflour
    • beetroot concentrate
    • yeast extract
    • cultures (?!)
    • cane sugar
    • salt
    • vitamin B12

    Seitan Sausage Chorizo

    1 cup (227 g)

    Calories 560 kcal, Protein 65 g

    • seitan 64%
    • bell pepper
    • coconut fat
    • onions
    • yeast extract
    • spices
    • rocksalt
    • carob bean gum
    • beech wood smoke
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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    Some vegan alternatives like cheese might be flavoured, to make them taste a little more like the destructive product they try to replace. I don't lose sleep over it, it's a little cheating but not unhealthy. We should eat whole food plant based as much as possible as it's healthy, cheap and fun. A vegan sausage is still WAY less harmful then it's animal based alternative.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago*

    Yeah I mostly cook whole food but I just need those convenience meat replacements with my dinners. TVP, tofu- or seitan based burgers or sausages, chickpea-, lentil- and buckwheat-noodles and protein powders make it so much easier to get loads of protein than just lentils, peas and rice and keep me way more satiated. Oh sorry I called them burgers and sausages. I didn't want to confuse the reader. I meant plant based protein sticks and circular shaped pellets ofc.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    I wasn't talking about (just) the ingredient list in plant based meat alternatives, but rather about food ingredients in general. Seems like I said it in a slightly confusing manner.

    My point is: several food items that can be purchased list ingredients that are not easy to understand nor evaluate for a layperson. This is confusing. In contrast, "plant based" labled food is not difficult to understand, imo.

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    [–] 25 points 10 months ago* (13 children)

    Call it what you want for cope, still not buying dead animal

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    [–] 21 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Burger and sausage are just shapes food can be in. Wtaf?

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago (30 children)

    I don't understand how people could get confused?

    Veggies/Vegans don't often accidentally buy meat because they're confused by the packaging

    Does it just boil down to most being thick as (veggie) mince?

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  • [–] 59 points 10 months ago

    People aren't confused. It's the meat industry who feel threatened by plant based products as they rise in popularity, and the meat industry has a lot of power and influence. This is their sad move to fight against plant based alternatives.

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    [–] 18 points 10 months ago

    I’m happy that EU doesn’t have any serious problems to worry about, than name of burgers.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    Such a stupid thing to regulate.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Just call them regrub and egasuas, now with 0% horse meat or other sleazy mystery meats (true)

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    vegetable burger shaped non-burger made out of vegetable and vegetable sausage shaped non-sausage made out of vegetable

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