I know - you're very probably already sixteen. That's why we are here.

If you've managed to miss the coming change in the law, I envy you. This silly law has taken up several hours of my year that could have been spent doing something more productive like watching Golden Girls.

But, the law is here now and we need to take "Reasonable Steps" to ensure that everyone is over sixteen. If you are wondering what "reasonable steps" is, then join the club. Nobody really knows. What I do know is that we have to start to make an effort to be sure that no young'uns are here against the law.

To that end, we have hired a helpful bot called Molly. She's an expert at being sixteen and she's just been told that it's her job is to verify all your ages. Here she is:

What's next? Well, in the first phase we ask that you drop her a Message that verifies you are over 16. She doesn't want to see your government ID. Some ideas that she would accept are:

  1. A passenger takes a photo of your username on a sheet of paper with you driving (please don't make this one a selfie). Faces not required.
  2. A photo of your username with a glass of alcohol at a bar.
  3. A convincing spiel that would only come from someone older than sixteen (Can you tell Molly who Samantha is?). Can you tell her about the Breakfast Club that only 70's/80's kids from Queensland would know?
  4. Anything else you can think of that only someone over sixteen could/would do.

There's no need to spend a lot of time on this. At this point, I'll go through the users who have messaged her and compile a list of people who have verified their age. You can be creative. Just be aware that there's an infinitesimal chance (but not zero) that whatever you send may be sent to some government agency to demonstrate that we are complying with the law.

Frequently Asked Questions:

  1. How do you know that the user isn't faking their submission? I don't. No method is perfect, we saw kids defeating intricate and expensive verification systems earlier this year. Kids are smart.
  2. How do you stop a kid from moving their account to one of the thousands of non-Australian Lemmy Instances and just continuing on with their day? I can't. The fact that the law is totally ineffectual in the context of Lemmy is beside the point. We clearly meet the definition of a Social Media platform according to the law, and we are based in Australia. So we have to comply, even if it is pointless.
  3. Are you aware that this is pointless and kids are going to get around it? I know that teenage-me sure would have. But again, that's beside the point. We need to comply with the law.
  4. Will you accept a photo of me in my undies? Ok, this one isn't frequent from previous discussions on the law, but I wanted to include it in case. Please don't send NSFW photos to show you are over age.

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[–] 27 points 9 months ago (18 children)

I no longer drink, don’t have a car and don’t wish to appear in any photos. And despite having been a redditor for 12 years, changing handles frequently for privacy means I’ve been Melbaboutown for much less than that. I’m not sharing any other accounts as the long term ones are doxable.

It sucks that Lemmy is being forced to do this and I wouldn’t even humour it for a second if it wasn’t you guys asking.

Guess if I want to keep talking to you awesome units Molly is just going to have to hear about my calcium pills, gaming off floppy discs as a child, and how I still have the Walkman I owned as a teen. Also Video Ezy and Blockbuster.

Whether the government wants to believe me is up to them.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I suspect if this comes to a head you can just change instances to one offshore .

    If they start blocking tiny websites "not complying" then shit has really hit the fan.

    My pet conspiracy theory is that corporations pushed for this so they can collect your ID and even more personal information you should never share with anyone on the internet.

    Fuck this law is so dumb

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    [–] 16 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Well the Mighty Boosh was 20 years ago, and I have clearly drunk baileys from a shoe...

    .. but in seriousness thanks Nath. Love this little corner of the interwebs and appreciate you dealing with this stupidity to keep it rolling

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    [–] 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

    One of the places I work at has a display cabinet showing historical media formats and devices, seeing things in it like the zip disc and the Sony camera that took floppies always makes me feel like Elrond:

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    [–] 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Just a thanks to everyone involved with keeping things running here and dealing with not only our stupidity, but the stupidity of our stupid government.

    And, Molly! Whoooooo, girrrrrrrrrrrrl! You have a job ahead of you! Good luck and thank you to you too!

    (Edit: And I think I messed up my submission already sorry 🫣)

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    What if I promise faithfully (so help me Dog) that I am over 16? If that doesn’t work, my 20 year old son will vouch for me. And anyone else willing to pay him.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    This account will be visiting from another geolocation which isn't subject to Australian laws and will henceforth identify as a foreign bot trying to disrupt Australian society and promote disunity. I request to be labelled as a foreign asset, not subject to age authorisation. In small print add "works for gambling industry, owns coal mine, makes political donations, VIP, mates with Albo and the Pope"

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    [–] 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    What happens if I don't get around to it by the 10th? Will my account be deleted, or temporarily disabled until I provide proof? I likely won't be able to do it in time.

    Also, is it ok to send govt ID with the info blacked out (with Date of birth visible)?

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    This is the first round of verification. There will be more than one. At some point I'll resort to sending direct messages to stragglers.

    The law is vague about our requirements. It's vague on lots of things.

    We need to proactively ban users who identify themselves as children. We don't have to immediately ban every unverified account, but at some point we're going to need to have some sort of record of age verification for active users.

    Waste of everyone's time? Yep.

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    [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    These strategies are quite nice. I was worried I would have to show my license which I’m not entirely comfortable with. I can easily talk about how my friend skateboarded to my house after the breakfast club first aired so we could excitedly discuss it and I could take a photo of drinking a pint while driving. Easy.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Ooh - I missed this update last week:

    This genuinely boggles my mind. The government can make sentences like this, but they can't make them reality. Imagine if it said that only people with red hair were allowed to access the site. What technology exists to handle that? Because it is effectively what we are facing. We can only try our best - but we can't assure the government 100% that no user has tricked us onto the platform. And I'd still say that if I had the resources of Google to ensure compliance.

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    [–] 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    How about an account I created 20 years ago, does that count? 😁

    https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/user/75046

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It's funny how the mainstream media has focused only on listing the big social media giants as being the targets.

    I've also had a message from another not so mainstream hookup app that the proof of age is coming and to prepared to comply. How remains to be seen.

    I must say I really like the idea of ordering a drink at a bar with the user name.

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    [–] 9 points 9 months ago* (5 children)

    I just mentioned rewinding VHS tapes and loving limpbizkit, is this proof :|

    https://aussie.zone/post/27191076/20122605

    I guess the question I have, what % of us are under 30? Do people under 30 know about the internet outside of instagram/reddit/facebook/youtube?

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    [–] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I'll write my username above my pubes with a sharpie. That'll prove I'm 16, yeah?

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    After reading through the post I will be jumping ship, later boys I'll see you in another instance

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Just be aware that there’s an infinitesimal chance (but not zero) that whatever you send may be sent to some government agency to demonstrate that we are complying with the law.

    On this point, as I understand it, the personal information provided for verification can - and indeed should - be destroyed once it has been used for the purpose it was provided.

    I assume you might need to keep a (non-identifying) record of how a user was age-verified to prove that you've been complying, but not the personal data used to do the verification.

    Albo has been claiming that Australian privacy law requires that the data be destroyed once it's used for age verification, but the language of the law I think has 'reasonable' in there, which gives more wiggle room than the GDPR, for example. It was discussed on the Law Report on Radio National: https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/lawreport/countdown-to-australia-s-social-media-ban/105871968 (sorry, no idea of the timestamp, and there doesn't seem to be a transcript either)

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    There is no requirement that the verification actually actually be personal information. So far, the responses have all convinced me they were of age, and zero of them have had any personal information. Only one user has included a part of themselves in a photo and it's probably my favourite response - but it isn't personally identifiable.

    But you are also correct - we need to destroy stuff like government if provided. Which is even more work than this headache already is. So we don't want that as a method.

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    Dang I wish I still had my usbourne programming books. Those little robots carrying 1’s and 0’s while I programmed in basic on the apple ][ were made for this verification.

    Edit: my steam account just turned 21. That’s a bit terrifying actually, but it has a use.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    The 'drop her a message' link needs to be a lot more obvious, IMO.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Thanks for your efforts.

    You can delete this account if you feel the need to, not interested in all verification stuff, even if is half arsed.

    Actually joined the Internet when I was 16 back in 1994. Back then using Excite to search the Internet was better than what Google is today.

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    [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    Just want to add at this point that I am loving this post and all the responses. Getting old is so bittersweet 😔

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I just realised… we’re technically complying with the law by verifying but we’re all DMing a ‘16 year old’.

    New legal issue created. /s

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