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[–] [email protected] 114 points 1 year ago (6 children)

What's the strategy in that? Claiming she was never his attorney forfeits what shreds of privilege might be left of their communications and is also one less person he can blame "advice of counsel" on.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Nothing really counts anyway as I'm betting nearly all of their discussions involved crimes, which aren't protected by attorney client privilege.

It's funny though, trump acting like there isn't record of their relationship.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Minor correction: Admitting you committed a crime in the past is protected. The attorney can still tiptoe around the fact that they know you committed it, by defending you on procedural or clerical grounds. For instance, they can attack the evidence that has been submitted against you, because it was mishandled, or because the equipment used to gather it hadn’t been calibrated recently enough, or for any number of reasons. Even if they know you committed the crime, they can still ensure that your court proceedings are fair.

Admitting that you plan on committing future crimes is not covered. The attorney can’t be party to future crimes, and admitting you plan on committing crimes makes them a co-conspirator if they don’t rat you out.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Was mostly gone when she signed the plea deal. Crime-Fraud Exemption kicks in.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

To be clear, attorney-client privilege does not exist when the client and the attorney collaborated on committing a crime.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Bets on him claiming that she was never his lawyer and yet attorney client privilege still applies for some reason?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (6 children)

He’s going to just say she’s fabricating everything. Probably will start insulting her about irrelevant things soon too.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

She's not my type, believe me folks

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because his legal defense wasn't based on claiming attorney-client; it was based on the idea that he was just asking legal hypotheticals to / legal advice from legal experts

Now two of these lawyers have taken plea deals to (presumably) testify against Trump. Also, by virtue of the guilty plea in this case where Trump is a codefendant, that privilege would likely be voided anyway

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Sidney Powell was one of millions and millions of people who thought, and in ever increasing numbers still think, correctly, that the 2020 Presidential Election was RIGGED & STOLLEN, AND OUR COUNTRY IS BEING ABSOLUTELY DESTROYED BECAUSE OF IT!!! MS. POWELL WAS NOT MY ATTORNEY, AND NEVER WAS. In fact, she would have been conflicted,

That was a challenging first sentence to read.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I haven't listened to Trump speak since 2015. It's not worth it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll DM you the audio recording from my last exceedingly challenging bowl movement. That will be a close approximation of the real thing.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Moreover, Trump himself on Nov. 14th, 2020, identified Powell as being part of his legal team by tweeting, “I look forward to Mayor Giuliani spearheading the legal effort to defend OUR RIGHT to FREE and FAIR ELECTIONS! Rudy Giuliani, Joseph diGenova, Victoria Toensing, Sidney Powell, and Jenna Ellis, a truly great team, added to our other wonderful lawyers and representatives!”‘

https://www.mediaite.com/news/trumps-denial-that-sidney-powell-was-ever-his-lawyer-prompts-internet-sleuths-to-post-clip-of-giuliani-calling-her-exactly-that/

[–] Birdie 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He is truly his own worst enemy.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

He is truly his own worst enemy.

And everyone else's

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

There really is a Trump tweet for everything

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Step 1 - "She was never my attorney."

Step 2 - "All our conversations are confidential attorney/client privelege."

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Yeah, she just pleaded guilty to criminal conspiracy with him. That confession alone voids attorney/client privilege.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago (3 children)

When he finally ends up in prison where he belongs, he'll claim he was never Donald Trump.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

"You can't convict me of trying to overturn the election as President because I was never the President and wasn't a candidate!"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

It was the other president, Obama who won in 2016...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's John Baron, I believe.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

man he's got such a distinct firehose of words constantly incriminating himself but also trying to cover up incriminating himself. 'I dont even know this girl, she's a criminal that's never worked for me, but her only crime is saying what I've been saying this entire time, the election was stolen and I support everything she does, amazing woman, I have nothing to do with her'

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's his Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Everybody slings that term around like it's widely applicable. It's not. People that meet the DSM V "rules" are fairly rare. Trump knocks it out the park like no human I've ever heard of, let alone met IRL.

Here's his thinking on this one:

  • Powell is a bad person because she betrayed me.
  • I don't hire bad people, or make mistakes at all, ever, therefore she was never my attorney.

He's not lying, he truly believes the shit he says. Mom was like this. She would say shit that was demonstrably false, did not matter, she was right. Ever known another human for 50 years and never heard them admit fault, even a tiny, tiny bit? It's straight freaky.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is very very bad for Trump because Powell is also a defendant in Jack Smith's federal case being tried under Judge Chutkan.

Powell obviously knows that her guilty plea in Georgia can and will be used by Smith in the federal case, so what it basically says is that she's going to be a cooperating witness (she really has no choice) for Smith as well.

Powell was there at the infamous December 18th meeting wherein things like shutting down all voting and declaring martial law were allegedly discussed. This in turn means that she can provide convincing and potentially damning evidence as to Trump's knowledge of and intent with regard to how the election had actually played out, and specifically with regard to his desire to overturn it.

There's a lot more to be said about this, but I have to go make dinner.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol. These asshats waste no time throwing each other under the bus. 🍿

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They have a bus driving around picking those up who were thrown inder the bus. Like a wheel, it doesn't end.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Well, there will be more than enough signed statements and other written communication to prove the contrary, I'm sure.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One book, "The Kraken Lady, 2020 Election Fraud And Me: This Sort of Thing Is My Bag, Baby", written by Donald Trump.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

She has literal receipts though. Because she's one of the few people he actually paid.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

What a joke of a man he his.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

Well kids. This is why we pay our co-conspirator's legal bills. And our own legal bills. And why we listen to advice of counsel. And why we remain loyal to those who are loyal to us.

Oh yeah, and skipping on the crimes helps as well.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

was never his attorney because he never paid her bills?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah, so what you're saying is that attorney-client privilege doesn't apply to your communications with her, since she was never your attorney, right?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He can't just go one day without throwing everything under a bus can he lol. Is the only person he hasn't his daughter (who he wants to bang) or has he done the same to her yet lol.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nice try fuck face. You're literally on TV talking to, about, and with her. Fuck, this guy is insufferable. I'd go to church everyday and pray to whatever God would end his existence* so we don't have to listen to this shit anyone.

*not condoning any violence against another human being by a human being; only divine intervention which seems to be a thing people believe in and how it can happen by magic sky daddies

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

I’m waiting for him to claim that he’s lactose-intolerant now that Chesebro has also flipped.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Sidney? I don't even know the guy!"

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm waiting for trump to insult her looks and say she's not his type.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Well, at least he seems to know who she is this time.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not exactly “I don’t know her” but close enough for government work.

Also, “STOLLEN, Part Deux”

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Uh oh, I think donnie the Nepo Baby is getting nervous about someone flipping.

Trying to Mariah Carey his way out of his troubles...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Ahh - throwing out the "attorney/client privilege" defense?

Bold strategy.

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