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[–] 175 points 9 months ago* (7 children)

I went to PCPartPicker and tried to assemble a similarly spec'd PC, not with the absolute cheapest components, but definitely from the lower end sorted by price, it came out close to $800.

I guess if Valve can price it at that and be smaller it might have a market, but if much more than that people are better off just buying a PC.

P.S. Since Valve is not buying retail I think there is room for lower than that, and it'd definitely be welcome, but I'm not sure Valve will make that decision.

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  • [–] [S] 133 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    2x8 GB RAM for 130 dollars? What the fuck? I knew theyve gotten more expensive recently but that stings.

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  • [–] 105 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    PCPartPicker has a general price tracker where you can see how much RAM has spiked in such a short time. It really emphasizes how crazy things have gotten

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  • [–] 36 points 9 months ago

    In the past decade, PC hobbyists have been the victims of the latest group of regards "getting the bag". Crypto 1.0, 2.0 and now AI. It's the biggest fool theory doing its thing. I fucking hate tech bros and crypto bros. They are the huma race's macro analogy for cancer cells.

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  • [–] 42 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Brother it's so bad. I've been trying to help a friend do one recently, or at least plan it, and I've watched my previously $85 2x16 sticks of GSkill DDR5 (like the cheapest option I had) shoot up to like $260 in under a month has been insane. It's not even good ram....

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago

    I recently (a few months ago) built a new high-end server for my homelab, and bought 512GB of DDR4 ECC RAM for around $510. I just looked it up, and those exact same modules are around $2.5k to $3.5k for the same amount. That's more than I paid for the entire machine.

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    [–] 110 points 9 months ago (26 children)
    1. The top end Steam Deck was like $750 at release. Replace the screen with better CPU and GPU, and there's your baseline for the Machine. Since it's "6x" performance, price will probably be a bit higher. People thinking way less are smoking crack.

    2. How many of you have actually had a Linux PC connected to your living room TV? I built one about 13 years ago (and upgraded the guts occasionally) and it's been awesome. With a regular web browser you can watch YouTube (with uBlock of course), Plex/Jellyfin, or any streaming service, in addition to gaming. Plus I've done stuff like vacation planning with my partner, where we can easily bring up maps and hotel listings from our couch without hunching over a laptop or tablet.

    3. While Linux hardware support is quite good these days, there's still something to be said for buying a machine that you know is fully supported and targeted by game devs.

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    [–] 100 points 9 months ago (15 children)

    They're letting us discuss this ad nauseam just to understand what prices people consider acceptable for these devices

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  • [–] 43 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    100%

    But that's not a terrible thing, I suppose.

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    [–] 85 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It’s $2,400 – 6 Steam Decks – the end.

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  • [+] 30 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)
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  • [–] 66 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Fair prices are fair, the existence of billionaires is not. Tax Gabe Newell and the rest of 'em too.

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  • [–] 60 points 9 months ago (74 children)

    Facts people forget:

    • Assembling your own Steam Machine with similar parts will cost around 800
    • Even if you assembled it yourself you would be missing features, such as cec, wake by controller, sleep mid game, etc. LTT will try to build one, it will be interesting to see what they come up with, but I'm 90% it won't have feature parity.
    • There's lots of engineering gone into this machine, they're way more compact, less power hungry and more quiet than anything you can build yourself.
    • Buying the same build as a prebuilt brings a premium and costs around 1000
    • Valve purchases stuff in scale so they can diminish their margin and could potentially sell it cheaper than prebuilts, and possibly cheaper than building it yourself.
    • Consoles are sold at a loss, and they recover it with games because the platform is closed.
    • The Steam Machine is not closed, they can't be sure they're getting game purchases, because people might be buying this to be their work computer. So they have to price it as a PC, with margin on hardware, not promise of future returns.
    • Price might fluctuate between now and announcement, RAM prices are going crazy nowadays.

    With all of that being said, it seems to me it's very likely it will be around 800 but less than 1000. For people saying you can build one for that price yourself, sure, go ahead, you'll have a huge, power hungry loud box, without the same features and you would have saved only a small fraction of the value by having to assemble everything yourself.

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    [–] 59 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I hope they release the price soon, the discourse on this has become incredibly tiring.

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  • [–] 46 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    I doubt they will. The market for NAND and ram is insane at the moment, RAM has gone up 100% in the last 3 months. Announcing a price too early could lead to having embarrassingly increase price shortly before or after launch, or take a loss on the products.

    That's not to say I don't share your sentiments. I too hope they announce it sooner rather than later, but understand why they may be apprehensive.

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  • [–] 57 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I know speculation is fun, but until we know the price officially, all of this is moot. Wait until next year when they announce actual pricing and judge it then for its value.

    I, personally, don't think it'll be a successful product if it isn't less than $800. They don't have to have it cost console prices, but it does need to be at least somewhat within spitting distance. If the price is the cost of an Xbox or Playstation plus, say.....a year of their online service subscription, I think that could be marketable.

    If it's closer to a grand, it'll be a flop like the first Steam Machines.

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    [–] 40 points 9 months ago (15 children)

    The discourse around this confuses the fuck out of me. Did people actually expect this to be <$500?

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    I think the problem is Valve lost control of the messaging, which led to bad expectations.

    At least in the US, a computer hooked up to a TV to play games means it's a "console" and not a computer. Maybe we can blame Nintendo back in the 80s for going out of their way to avoid calling the NES a computer (despite it's name in Japan being Famicom, Family Computer), but the distinction exists today despite technologically no real difference. You know this, I know this, Valve knows this. So Valve wants to make a computer you hook up to your TV so they can get you to use their money printing machine Steam in the living room too.

    If you read Valve's marketing material on the Steam Machine, they don't use the word "console" once. It's always either by name or the terms PC, computer, or system. They likely don't mention the word "console" because to date, video game consoles follow a different business model, one where the model subsidizes the shit out of the hardware and then make money on the back end with game sales/licensing.

    Current "console" hardware starts in the <$500 price bracket, and with so much third party media marketing calling the Steam Machine a console, that got people's mind set on pricing expectations of that market.

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    [–] 39 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Remember, an Xbox series X now costs $600 for digital edition ($800 for 2tb + disk drive)

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    [–] 39 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    The worst thing about the hardware unveiling is the endless posts about pricing 😮‍💨

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    [–] 34 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Is PC

    Shock and awe when told it MAY cost similar to a PC

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    [–] 21 points 9 months ago

    Not a number. Not interesting.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    If they subsidized it, wouldn't that risk businesses buying it as a cheap-for-its-specs option for their office computers? It's not locked to being a gaming machine like consoles. You can just install windows on it.

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    [–] 19 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Think about it this way, people. Yes, it may be more expensive than a PlayStation. However, Steam offers numerous deals several times a year, so it will be worth the investment. In the long run, owning a Steam Machine or PC will pay for itself.

    Unfortunately, due to the craze of AI server farms, PC parts are becoming more expensive. For example, the price of RAM has doubled, and analysts say that SSDs will suffer the same fate.

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    [–] 18 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    A PS5 Pro, which is more powerful, is $750. If it's not below that it's too damn much.

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    [–] 16 points 9 months ago (15 children)

    Why would anyone want it then? Just install Steam on your machine and use it...

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  • [–] 48 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    As it says in the article, it'll be smaller and quieter, so less offensive for most people's living rooms than a full-size desktop. It's not meant to replace your existing PC if you have one, unless it was getting old and you were about to replace it anyway. If you don't have a PC, or don't have one in the living room, then it might be a better option than anyone else's prebuilt.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    There are people who exist between "I build, format and otherwise manage my own gaming rig," and "I don't need a PC for games."

    My partner is a perfect example. She has my old PC shell, with some $500 of GPU, internal memory, and accessories, hooked up to the TV. She uses it daily, almost exclusively for Steam games and streaming services that she finds more comfortable to navigate with a keyboard and mouse. A smaller, quieter, streamlined, "this more or less will do the things you want to do straight out of the box" product would have saved both her (and I, because that thing has had some troubleshooting) a lot of headache, while looking far more presentable to boot.

    Maybe she's the odd one out and the target audience is more niche than my bias' recognize, but I guess we'll see for sure when this thing releases.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago

    "on your machine" requires you to have a machine. This isn't for people with computers already. This is for people who are already looking for a new machine, and this becomes the "ready out of the box" option.

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