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[–] 60 points 9 months ago (19 children)

Facts people forget:

  • Assembling your own Steam Machine with similar parts will cost around 800
  • Even if you assembled it yourself you would be missing features, such as cec, wake by controller, sleep mid game, etc. LTT will try to build one, it will be interesting to see what they come up with, but I'm 90% it won't have feature parity.
  • There's lots of engineering gone into this machine, they're way more compact, less power hungry and more quiet than anything you can build yourself.
  • Buying the same build as a prebuilt brings a premium and costs around 1000
  • Valve purchases stuff in scale so they can diminish their margin and could potentially sell it cheaper than prebuilts, and possibly cheaper than building it yourself.
  • Consoles are sold at a loss, and they recover it with games because the platform is closed.
  • The Steam Machine is not closed, they can't be sure they're getting game purchases, because people might be buying this to be their work computer. So they have to price it as a PC, with margin on hardware, not promise of future returns.
  • Price might fluctuate between now and announcement, RAM prices are going crazy nowadays.

With all of that being said, it seems to me it's very likely it will be around 800 but less than 1000. For people saying you can build one for that price yourself, sure, go ahead, you'll have a huge, power hungry loud box, without the same features and you would have saved only a small fraction of the value by having to assemble everything yourself.

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  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Also people who like to DIY seem to forget that a lot of people want a turn-key solution, I even dare to say that most people prefer a ready made solution. Even a lot of people who work in tech when they get home want a just work solution.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    And a lot of the prebuilts have a ton of cut corners. A well put-together machine that people can trust to play their games at a base performance could be great for those who don't want or can't DIY.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    PCs suffer from massive hardware fragmentation. It's about time someone made a standardized PC.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Eh, I dont want steam machine becoming a standardized PC.

    having CPU and GPU baked into the board and unchangable will just increase e-waste cause it will age out much faster than a PC which you could, 3-4 years down the line, max out the CPU in, throw more ram into, or upgrade teh GPU, to keep it relevant for another 4+ years

    It serves its niche purpose, but it should not become standard.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    I feel the standardization they mean is in the spec and not the specific build. Like, a lot of games are terrible optimized, not only on runtime but also in space needed, it is getting out of hand. But if you have to target a popular machine like steam deck or the steam machine that is not super high-end and have lower capacity storage you have no option but to put some attention on optimizing you game at least a little.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago*

    Except that just means they'd optimize for that specific hardware in the steam machine and still run like shit on anything else.

    Power wise, they said the steam machine is equivalent to what 70% of the steam users already have and use. If developers arent already optimizing for that specific block, then one more machine out of thousands wont encourage it.

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  • Nail On The Head.

    I work in tech. I also have terrible dexterity. While I love my gaming PC, I dread upgrades or things going wrong. I hate applying thermal paste, replacing a motherboard, etc. I’d gladly pay “prebuilt” prices for something from a company I can “trust” (as far as corporations can be trusted).

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Yup, I love DIY, had tons of fun building my wife's mini-itx gaming rig, my NAS and even my desktop (although it was the boring one of the three since it's just standard). I love poking on my system, trying out stuff, etc. But I bought a Deck and my only mod was getting EmuDeck in it, it just works for what I want it to, and that's worth a lot to me, it allows me to pour my time on stuff I want to be building and just game on my gaming boxes.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    LTT will try to build one

    Time for another video of Linus failing to follow basic instructions and going out of his way to break the OS because Linux gaming bad

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, but to be fair that was a shitty thing the system did, anyone with experience would know not to do it, but honestly it should have never happened. On the other hand, Linus is a bit daft and lots of stuff blows over his head monumentally, in the same video where he said he would be building a Steam Machine he also couldn't seem to grasp that this is just a computer and people would see it as a prevuilt. In short I don't think he will acknowledge lots of the killer features in the Steam Machine just so he can claim his thing does the same. But at least it will be an interesting watch.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, I agree.

    I detest Linus, but at least attack him for legitimate shit.

    He was approaching linux as a basic idiot, like someone like me, and that is absolutely something a new average linux user would absolutely do.

    iirc, that bug was known before hand, and no one bothered to fix it until famous man made video that got famous.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    It was known beforehand and was fixed already by the time he released his video, he just happened to luck out and encounter it during the short spam it existed.

    I disagree that he approached it as a complete idiot, he approached it as someone who knows what they're doing, when he definitely doesn't, and that was the issue. Anyone without technical know-how would have panicked at the system asking him to type "I know what I'm doing", and anyone with enough technical know-how would have paused at that and read the message carefully and moped the fuck out. He had enough knowledge to think he knew what he was doing, but not enough to actually do, and the boldness to think he knew better.

    That being said, I agree that there's plenty of other stuff to bash him for, and that was not a great example, lots of people would have found themselves in that same situation, and I don't think it's unfair to say the fuck up there was not entirely on his part.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    ...LTT will try to build one...

    Jay already tried. It was bigger, didn't have the custom OS, and cost $1700. He could have done better except he was part limited to what rhe Microcenter he was at had on hand. Doing a bunch or research and getting different parts would probably bring down the price.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Buying the same build as a prebuilt brings a premium and costs around 1000

    For 1k you can get a 9600 9060XT 16gb system, which is waaaaaay more powerful, so this is quite an exaggeration.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    A prebuilt plug-and-play device? Can you share a link to that?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Valve’s Pierre-Loup Griffais claimed that the Steam Machine price had not been nailed down internally, but that Valve’s aim was to offer a “good deal” in line with equivalently powered PCs.

    “I think that if you build a PC from parts and get to basically the same level of performance, that’s the general price window that we aim to be at,” he said.

    They're going to be price competitive with building from parts, apparently.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    The answer I'm replying to suggested you can get a prebuilt with a 9600 for 1000, since they're replying to my point that a prebuilt with similar spec is 1000.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Oh, weird. I just read the whole chain going up and I don't see any indication the figures were for prebuilt systems. Maybe someone edited their post or something isn't federating?

    Regardless, Valve is apparently going to be competitive just in hardware costs, which makes sense—they can't expect to extract extra value from software sales, but they should still be able to have an acceptable profit margin with their scale and lack of layers in their distribution model.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    This is the thing I'm replying to, emphasis on the prebuilt.

    Buying the same build as a prebuilt brings a premium and costs around 1000

    For 1k you can get a 9600 9060XT 16gb system, which is waaaaaay more powerful, so this is quite an exaggeration.

    But yeah, I don't think the machine will cost the same as a prebuilt, but that's the high end of the price range.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Consoles are sold at a loss, and they recover it with games because the platform is closed.

    Sometimes, but evidently not currently. Sources seem to indicate that only Microsoft seems to say they are selling at a loss, though it seems odd since their bill of materials looks like it should be pretty comparable to PS5...

    I'll agree with the guess of around $800, but like you say, the supply pressure on RAM and storage as well as the tariff situation all over the place, hard to say.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    They could totally make money selling it at a loss. The reason so many people care is that there's an opening in the console market for an affordable option

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    No, they couldn't, have you read about the PS3? They were a lot cheaper than building a similar system so several companies bought thousands to build clusters, I personally worked at a relatively small university that had a cluster made of dozens of PS3s, since each Playstation costed Sony around $200 my university on its own costed thousands to Sony, and I imagine every other university and some private companies did the same.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    You mean the same PS3 that still was profitable?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    . The reason so many people care is that there’s an opening in the console market for an affordable option

    The consoles are the affordable option.

    I fully understand that it sucks that this is the reality, but sucking doesn't make something less true.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    With all of that being said, it seems to me it’s very likely it will be around 800 but less than 1000

    maybe more with the way ram prices are skyrocketing.. because even though it comes out next year, they are probably being manufactured and stockpiled right now.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yup, like I said, it depends on how prices will fluctuate, my guess is what the price would be if it was being sold now, if RAM increases they would have to compensate for it.

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