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[–] 18 points 10 months ago (2 children)

honestly, incredibly based.

People with platforms shouldn't be allowed to spread blatant misinformation. That shit is incredibly harmful to uneducated people.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    we need more mechanisms to correct bullshit coming from all forms of media

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago*

    On the health front, the number of people calling themselves Dr. Whatever on YouTube and social media talking about all kinds of health conditions is huge. They talk about anything from dermatology to diets to cancer prevention but when you actually look into what type of doctor they are, it always ends up being Doctor of Chiropractic a.k.a. Doctor of pseudoscientific semi-religious bullshit that isn’t even recognised in my country, but for some reason is in the US, yet they go about masquerading as real medical doctors!

    Drives me nuts!

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (20 children)

    Ahead of the entire world there. This would single-handedly destroy the right in Western society as it thrives on lies.

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  • [–] 22 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    It sounds good until you think about it. "Government" prevents people from talking about certain subjects unless they are experts. But who decides what subjects, and who decides what credentials mean they're worthy of discussing those subjects?

    I can only guess about China, but in the US, a similar law would mean Republicans are granted and mandated censorship of whatever they want...

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    It’s at least meaningful action with merit, even if flawed potentially.

    Meanwhile the USA sits while people like you posit on these potential alternate realities and tens of thousands of people per month are convinced not to vaccinate their children, to homeschool, to back Ponzi schemes and MLMs, to treat autism with bleach enemas, treating cancer with all sorts of scams, etc because some stupid asshole grifter on social media said to do it.

    I don’t think you realize just how bad it is. I don’t think you realize just how ineffective our regulatory bodies are. I had a patient where I was working with their child over behavioral issues and they were desperate. They were low income, Medicaid, and they spent $800 on a device that “used magnetic stimulation” to help their child “realign their brain and body”. They found it via instagram.

    When I asked about it they sent many links: one from the seller about “research” that was all about transcranial direct current stimulation/tdcs. That does have some potential evidence but this device did not work in that fashion. It made no contact with the temples and it had no electrical output, it guaranteed this to allay safety concerns. They clearly just put together a list of citations that looked somewhat relevant to the laymen but did not hold up to scrutiny in any way. The device itself had 0 research behind it, obviously.

    The second link was the website to purchase and find out more about the device. The notable thing here was references to the FDA being plastered all over the site. This is the major lapse in regulatory body. I was shocked to see this. Looking into it more I found that it was a loophole utilized by these scummy scams. They will find a facility that is approved by the FDA for manufacturing something that is FDA approved (like a tens machine) and hire it out to manufacture their scam product. They can then plaster “manufactured in an FDA approved facility” all over their packaging, website, and ad copy, which is extremely misleading. As long as they don’t explicitly say FDA approved or use the FDA logo, which is government property, they are okay.

    This is just one example. I’ve been working with mostly kids for almost 2 decades now. I’ve seen many more terrible things embraced, anti vaccination being the most popular. I’ve seen people waste precious time that is essential during early intervention periods on quack bullshit like facilitated communication then when they finally give up on that their child is years behind and never truly gains any meaningful communication ability (which, to be fair, may have been the case from the beginning, but it also may not if they had embraced evidence based practice).

    I’m sick and tired of hemming and hawing about this bullshit and “what about the morons right to be an idiot?”. Not when the moron robs their child of the capacity for meaningful communication, a proper education and social development, facilitates outbreaks of disease, or is fronting to scam people.

    Similarly China saw the obvious issue with loot boxes and banned them. Meanwhile we are still hemming and hawing about the ethics of allowing children to gamble because we desperately need to allow them to funnel cash to tech billionaires and start addictive behavioral patterns as young as humanly possible, apparently. They also saw the inherent ethical issues with fee for service medical billing and are taking huge steps to transition away from it. Meanwhile our health reform plan is apparently “go fuck yourself and die”.

    It is unbelievably frustrating how badly we are failing and how much we have been conditioned to do nothing with statements like yours. “Well, if we do that, it could blow up in our face, much like it’s currently blowing up in our fucking face right as we speak, so I guess we should just do nothing then”

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Advocating for authoritarianism from an anarchist instance. Interesting. Yes, we have major problems with misinformation in the United States. And it's coming from within the government. You don't hand that fucking government that power. There is no authoritarian easy fix. The only way to fix this is to foster curiosity and a desire to actually inform oneself.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (6 children)

    What you describe is a generational fix, and it is warranted. We still need something that can improve conditions tomorrow

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    It's at least better than the village idiots being given a platform and a speakerphone. Even if we go back to a more tightly controlled information age, it's better than the prolific amount of nefarious bullshit around these days. Either indoctrination, propaganda, misguidedness, prejudice, or any number of reasons...

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    The problem isn't the village idiot having a place in which to speak.The problem is the village of idiots that get their information from that idiot.

    Now you want to give that village of idiots the ability to restrict who can speak and what they can say. That will only make things worse.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    100% I certainly wouldn't trust America and all the fake institutions we have here to be the arbiters of news and expert in anything. And someplace like China, where you can already be imprisoned for life. Or even put to death for having the wrong views. Nope. The problem isn't loudmouth idiots. It's the idiots that get their information from loudmouth idiots. As individuals, we should always be looking to understand the expertise and knowledge of individuals and their qualifications to speak on a subject ourselves. Not giving that power to a small group of people guaranteed to abuse it.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    It wouldn't, as having a degree doesn't make you immune from idiocy and propaganda.

    There were a concerning amount of Health professionals who believed in and spread anti-vax rhetoric, including a pharmacist who purposefully destroyed COVID vaccines during the pandemic.

    Yes, we should strive to reduce and remove misinformation online, but restricting it to the few is not a good idea, as they can be just as questionable as a random on the street.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

    China is a authoritarian government that crushes freedom and individual rights

    If they are "ahead" I'm seriously worried about the future of humanity

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    That's a huge typo you got there. Your description matches the "U.S", but you spelled out as "China"

    In the US, you can get thrown in jail for not mowing your lawn. But yes, tell us how China crushes freedom and individual rights lol.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    No, China is not ahead of the western world on this, nor is this an unprecedented policy.

    Most developed countries already have robust regulation preventing people from giving undue professional advice, especially in health or finance.

    These are the same regulations preventing from you claiming to be a qualified lawyer, doctor, accountant, etc without the appropriate qualifications.

    Many developed countries such as the UK, Australia, and Canada have already started arresting finfluencers after victims have sued them for making fraudulent claims.

    FCA leads international crackdown on illegal finfluencers | FCA - https://www.fca.org.uk/news/press-releases/fca-leads-international-crackdown-illegal-finfluencers

    The equation of a university degree as a valid qualification for China is mostly an artefact of the lack of adequate professional bodies and accreditation.

    But if course, the devil is in the details and implementation.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    It's true that West has many similar laws. They are just rarely enforced.

    China and their absolute control over digital life will probably mean they will be proactive with enforcement which often leads to supression of speech.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    I am okay with that. Stay in your lanes

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    Im conflicted on this one.

    It feels like a good solution for online stuff, but the biggest problematic influencers talk about politics, will they require a political science degree to comment on it?

    Will this apply to journalists reporting on governmental situations?

    Couldn't this be used to prevent on site people affected by tragedies reporting without a degree?

    Will home remedies be banned basically since it's medical advice?

    Very curious on how it will be implemented.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    Completely agree

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  • [+] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (12 children)
  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    The problem isn't who is speaking. Even if it's only one out of a thousand doctors, the idiots will seek out and gravitate towards that one that confirms the thing that they want to believe. This will do absolutely nothing to even slow that down. If anything, it will even accelerate it.

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  • [+] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)
  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (5 children)

    It's impossible for everyone to verify the veracity of everything on a daily basis. We absolutely must decide for ourselves on a few arbiters of truth on important subjects. That way we can focus on verifying their understandings of and dedication to the facts. Reducing our load. There's nothing wrong with that. However, when they've shown to be a faulty in their representation of the facts, there have to be consequences.

    For instance, on YouTube, I watch an ungodly amount of science and computing content. With a few video essays or let's play YouTubers thrown in to fill in by watching the content. PBS, SciShow, and Space Time are favorites. When it comes to astrophysics, et etc, Matt Odowd definitely knows his stuff and is committed towards representing things fairly. Similarly, with SciShow, Hank Green is all in for testing his hypothesis and admitting or fixing his mistakes. Recently on his own channel, putting up a video about the gros michel banana and banana flavoring. And upon testing his hypothesis and finding it wrong committed towards fixing the mistakes he made years ago.

    Contrast with Sabine Hossenfelder. Who as a then particle physics researcher at CERN. Decided to bless everyone via her platform with her misunderstandings on poly sci and biology. Which to the best by knowledge she has never recanted or apologized for. Her content is blocked in my feed, and she is no longer with CERN to say the least.

    It's something we have to want to do for ourselves. No one else will do it or do it right.

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  • [+] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    People often make content for the love of it. But it still takes a lot of work, effort, and resources. It has a cost associated with it. I would love it if tomorrow everyone left YouTube for peertube. The problem is rewarding and supporting those that do. Patreon works for some, but not all of them. That's what YouTube is currently providing and why they stay. There's also things like nebula, but again, that's not available to everyone.

    Perhaps a not for profit needs to be formed that will collect funds to maintain several instances of peertube or something similar. And all funds gathered above and beyond that would then be put in a pool to be doled out to the creators whose content was viewed the most. Up to a limit of a liveable wage for their area?

    Yes, finding valuable content is a hard thing to do and no amount of AI or algorithms will really help with it. We honestly need to get together and crowdsource a directory of informed presenters as judged by others informed on the subjects.

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    [–] 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)

    a degree in mathematics should not validate my correctness about health.

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