On Sept. 11, Michigan representatives proposed an internet content ban bill unlike any of the others we've seen: This particularly far-reaching legislation would ban not only many types of online content, but also the ability to legally use any VPN.

The bill, called the Anticorruption of Public Morals Act and advanced by six Republican representatives, would ban a wide variety of adult content online, ranging from ASMR and adult manga to AI content and any depiction of transgender people. It also seeks to ban all use of VPNs, foreign or US-produced.

Main issue I have with this article, and a lot of articles on this topic, is it doesn't address the issue of youth access to porn. I think any semi-intelligent person knows this is a parenting issue, but unfortunately that cat's out of the bag, thanks to the right. "Proliferation of porn" is the '90s crime scare (that never really died) all over again. If a politician or industry expert is speaking against bills like this, their talking points have to include:

  • Privacy-respecting alternatives that promise parents that their precious babies won't be able to access that horrible dangerous porn! (I don't argue that porn can't be dangerous, but this is yet another disingenuous right-wing culture (holy) war)
  • Addressing that vagueness in the bill sets up the government as morality police (it's right there in the title of the bill, FFS), and NOBODY in a "free" country should ever want that.
  • Stop saying it can be bypassed with technology. The VPN ban in this bill is a reaction to talking points like that.
  • Recognize and call out that this has nothing to do with protecting children and everything to do with a religious minority imposing its will on the rest of the country (plenty of recent examples to pull from here).

Unfortunately this is becoming enough of "A Thing" that the left is going to have to, once again, be seen doing "something" about it. So they have to thread a needle of "protecting kids," while respecting the privacy of their parents who want their kids protected and want to look at porn, and protecting businesses that require secure communications.

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[+] 185 points 10 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 81 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    Many countries are trying to figure out how to ban VPNs. I expect it will end up with big corporations and rich people being able to pay a bribe buy a licence to use encryption and VPNs, while ordinary people will not be able to afford it. Or they will just require ISPs to block suspected VPN traffic from home connections. If people find workarounds it's still a pretext to arrest anyone inconvenient to the government and ban them from using the internet to organize.

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    [–] 171 points 10 months ago* (17 children)

    Banning VPNs would be an unmitigated disaster and anyone who suggests that it's a good idea has absolutely no idea what they're talking about and should never be allowed to make tech policy again because they are a massive idiot.

    Businesses, institutions, and even the government itself all require the use of VPNs to remain secure. VPNs are vital to functioning IT infrastructure everywhere.

    Additionally, such a move wouldn't even stop people from accessing porn (which isn't even what VPNs are for), all it would really do is break IT security everywhere.

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  • [–] 37 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    Yeah but people are really stupid and the economy is going to implode any day now anyways. It has nothing to do with porn and everything to do with criminalizing privacy and making mass surveillance more easy. They do not care how it affects people, they are rich and completely detached from reality. They will go live on Epstein Island or move to Ireland or something when America explodes. They rather be rich and connected then do anything that would actually help anyone, and Americans for the past 30 years have voted consistently for mass surveillance, destroying the constitution and fiat economics. This is what your average American wants by their voting habbits. People are just too stupid and brainwashed by this point.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago

    Businesses, institutions, and even the government itself all **require** the use of VPNs to remain secure. VPNs are vital to functioning IT infrastructure everywhere.

    This is the first thing I thought about. Bills like these always allow for vulnerabilities that would affect the entire nation, themselves included. It’s extremely short sided.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    I mean. They'd only enforce the ban on VPN providers that don't provide logs to the government. I get what you mean from a technology standpoint. But, in actual implementation of the law it would do exactly what they want. They're not gonna ban your work VPN. They just want to track what everyone is doing online.

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    [–] 61 points 10 months ago (45 children)

    That could spell trouble for VPN owners and other internet users who leverage these tools to improve their privacy, protect their identities online, prevent ISPs from gathering data about them or increase their device safety when browsing on public Wi-Fi.

    Is the extent of their knowledge on VPNs just what they heard from a NordVPN commercial? Not once in the article do they mention corporate VPNs.

    Unfortunately this is becoming enough of "A Thing" that the left is going to have to, once again, be seen doing "something" about it.

    I completely disagree with this sentiment and any Democrat that agrees with this isn't on "the left, but one more diet-Republican who exists solely to legitimize everything the right is doing at every turn.

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  • [–] 27 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

    I don't understand how OP can say that second part with a straight face when this bill doesn't even have the support of more than a handful of Michigan House Republicans and seems to have zero chance of making it out of committee there

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago

    15 years ago it was unthinkable that we would be in the situation we are right now. Don't wave this away as not having any support today. This is their goal. When they lose this time, they won't forget. They won't stop. The goal is complete surveillance, porn is just the vehicle.

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    [–] 55 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    [...] would ban a wide variety of adult content online, [... including] any depiction of transgender people.

    Obviously will fail. Not because it blatantly violates the first amendment, or because banning VPNs is absurd: but because it would hinder republicans from secretly jerking it to femboys.

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  • [–] 52 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Um, how the actual fuck are businesses supposed to operate where some regressive dumbfucks have outlawed VPNs?

    Also, never underestimate the ability of a set of dumbasses doing some damage to this country - for one thing, see the asshole in the WH right now doing all kinds of self-owns to this country.

    Secondly, I'm old enough to remember things like the V-chip and the Clipper chip and the government going after Phil Zimmerman. All of these things were rather stupid. And that was during the Clinton administration, which, sure, they were right-leaning as well....were not fucking crazy right wing.

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    [–] 45 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    The trans bit is key here. First that, then anything “promoting homosexuality”. It’s in Project 2025 that the porn bans are about criminalising LGBTQ people and allies.

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    [–] 44 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    NO VPN!

    And the corporate world comes to a screeching halt.

    These fuckwads don't even understand anything about what they're trying to legislate.

    When shit starts being monitored, I want to see the legislators' traffic public first.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    And the corporate world comes to a screeching halt.

    In theory, businesses would be required to register their VPNs and... idk, this would limit access to them somehow?

    Much like with the Assault Weapons Ban and the assorted online porn bans and strip club bans and dry counties and SEC rules on insider trading, etc, etc, etc a lot of this boils down to "how hard do you want to work in order to enforce this?"

    And the short answer is "we only want an excuse to arrest people arbitrarily". So a VPN can quickly because a "everyone with an Internet connection is a criminal suspect". And then you just harass the people you want to harass under cover of "we thought you had kiddie porn" as an excuse

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    [–] 41 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    is it doesn’t address the issue of youth access to porn. I think any semi-intelligent person knows this is a parenting issue

    There sure are a lot of stupid fucking people then, huh?

    Unfortunately this is becoming enough of “A Thing” that the left is going to have to, once again, be seen doing “something”

    Personally I think the left should hammer in on "The right are too lazy and incompetent to raise their kids. They want the government to do it for them. No one who's too unwilling or unable to spend time with their kids should be in government" or something like that. Just rub their noses in how stupid, lazy, and incompetent, the right is. Because they are. They are the worst people.

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    [–] 39 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Bro can we not?

    I thought I got lucky to be born into a family that was able to leave China, and I could browse the internet freely in the US. What the fuck y'all? Just let me have my unlimited access to entertainment in peace mmkay?

    So... fucking... cooked...

    Blatent First Amendment violation.

    I mean what even is gonna be the difference between fucking CCP and this BS.

    (Canadaaa plssss lemmme innn? 🥺👉👈❓️
    Australia? 👀)

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    [–] 39 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Can we get a list of the names of the representatives supporting this?

    Any other identifiable information would be great as well.

    Fuck this social contract.

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    [–] 36 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    All vpns including ones for work? Not a snowballs chance in hell

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    [–] 26 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Will it ban their Grindr access though?

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  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    ban porn

    Lol, good luck with hat

    ban VPN

    Lol, good luck with that too, maybe ban HTTPS while you're at it?

    Mind you though, this bill has diddly squat to do with porn. Republicans don't really care about that especially since they're usually too preoccupied with abusing their own children for their sexual needs. Blocking porn is just a cherry on the cake so that they have even more poetry and control

    This is mainly about the VPN and encryption. Those are technologies that can be used to pass along true facts, true news, organize protects without them knowing.

    You can't really break all types of encryption with one bill, but many aimed at the same goal just might do the trick

    I feel that encryption should be enshrined as a human right

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    [+] 24 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)
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    [–] 22 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    The representatives proposing this bill must have some really embarrassing search history.

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    [–] 22 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    It's never been about the children, either. It's been about reigning control and power which is why a lot of Liberals get on board with these bills too. One of the reasons i felt so disgusted to vote for Hillary Clinton was because of her stance on censorship in the 90's. Today it's succeeding in porn. Tomorrow it will start succeeding in literature.

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    "If you removed all the porn from the internet you would be left with one website, titled "Bring Back the Porn""

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    [–] 18 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    "Anticorruption of Public Morals Act"

    Fucking 1920s

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    [–] 18 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    VPNs (virtual private networks) are suites of software often used as workarounds to avoid similar bans that have passed in states like Texas, Louisiana and Mississippi, as well as the UK. They can be purchased with subscriptions or downloaded, and are built into some browsers and Wi-Fi routers as well.

    I don't think the author understands what a VPN is, or is trying to legitimize the proposed ban... Or maybe both.

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    [–] 18 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    yup. businesses, military installations, federal government offices. all need to relocate out of michigan. don't even matter if it passes should assume it might come back up. Safer to get out and stay out.

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    [–] 16 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Could they even ban VPNs? Is that even possible?

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    Legally? Easy. Pass the law, boom. Done. They see encrypted traffic from your house/phone? That's a paddling.

    Technically? Well, sort of. A lot of VPN uses TLS for the encryption between their servers and the clients, so from the outside it could very well look like regular encrypted HTTPS traffic. So, depending on how such hypothetical (I hope) law is worded, it could just make all encryption illegal. It would not prevent anyone from using it, because that's just math. You can't prevent people from doing math with a computer. But you can certainly prosecute them if the law says so.

    Of course, a more complete answer is that it is possible to masquerade as something else, depending on your available bandwidth and your will to side step the (hypothetical) law. If your traffic looks legitimate (and seems to be in plaintext), but you embedded some hidden meaning that the recipient can decipher, then you're playing cat and mouse, and you can get away with thing. Wrapping DNS queries inside TLS made it easy to avoid DNS spoofing at ISP level, for example. But the point remain; such law are not made to make something technically impossible. They're made to make something prosecutable. After all, there are laws against murder, but they don't prevent murder, they merely incentivize people to not do it.

    edit: I ignored the whole lot of other issue with banning encrypted communication as a whole, because it would break every business that have an online presence, including banking and trading. But, exemptions are a thing. Law for thee, not for me, this kinda move.

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    [–] 15 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    This is a test balloon. One state is needed to overcome all the technical hurdles like clearing VPNs for work. Once that is done it will be roled out everywhere.

    Without ruling out VPNs, all the other internet laws don't make sense. So this step is necessary and almost inevitable.

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    [–] 13 points 10 months ago

    Someone check the browser history of the 6 GOPers pushing a "morality" bill.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    It seems quite obvious to me that this will, in fact, not work. I'd even argue that nobody wants it to work. Only to introduce a law that a lot of people will break at some point, to have an excuse to target them later in the future if the need arises.

    No project like this will produce any significant results in any western country. It's simply impossible to implement without full supervision and control over the entire Internet. China was able to block all online porn due to having such infrastructure. And that was possible due to a vastly different culture. We don't.

    In general, the issue of widespread pornography is very analogous to climate change. We've been warned about this for decades, and yet, have done nothing to prevent it. All we can, and in my opinion should be doing, is limiting its presence in our societies, especially in the context of children. This would no doubt involve online ID verification at some stage, though that can be done with respect towards privacy.

    The bill, called the Anticorruption of Public Morals Act and advanced by six Republican representatives, would ban a wide variety of adult content online, ranging from ASMR and adult manga to AI content and any depiction of transgender people.

    Also, what's up with targetting ASMR? It has no inherent relation to adult content. The transgender people part isn't surprising and we know where that's coming from.

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    [+] 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)
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    [–] 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Corporate media's job is to manufacture consent. Please do not accept their spin uncritically.

    This has nothing to do with kids or porn, those are always easy bells for censors to ring. It's about control and tracking. They want to be able to tie anonymous online activity to your real identity.

    Politically, we really need to stop accepting their framing that they're trying to protect kids. These bills are only about collecting data.

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