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The Left's Conscience (thelemmy.club)
submitted 10 months ago by to c/completeanarchy@lemmy.ml
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[–] 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)

my favorite anarchist is my sous chef who thinks "china is a bad actor" and who shut me up the last time I tried to illustrate the ridiculousness of anti China propaganda by showing her an article blaming China for not doing enough about climate change. She asked "DON'T YOU THINK YOU'RE GETTING EXPOSED TO PROPAGANDA" as if the ANTI CHINA article in THE GUARDIAN was somehow pro china paid for by china

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  • [+] -8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Ew authoritarianism.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    Assuming you believe that anarchists should organize: what prevents anyone from calling your (or any given) anarchist group, "authoritarian"?

    Because this is a very common slur that's not only wielded by reactionaries against anarchist groups, but even from other anarchist groupings when they want to demonize each other.

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  • [+] [S] -10 points 10 months ago (5 children)
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    • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Considering that anarchists very frequently take pro-colonialist positions (for example, with regards to Korea, Libya, Iraq, Vietnam, even Palestine) and have plenty of other awful takes, the meme appears to be quite wrong.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    FWIW there is a history of decolonial anarchists in Korea that resisted the Japanese occupation

    https://files.libcom.org/files/1894-1931%20Anarchism%20in%20Korea.pdf
    https://hexbear.net/post/1330923?scrollToComments=false
    https://hexbear.net/post/168769?scrollToComments=false

    Would be cool if the Western left was more familiar with these histories instead of painting with a broad brush. Moralizing is easy when you use orientalism and do away with the nuances of the revolutionary projects you dislike.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Would be cool if the Western left was more familiar with these histories instead of painting with a broad brush. Moralizing is easy when you use orientalism and do away with the nuances of the revolutionary projects you dislike.

    Not sure if you are trying to imply that I'm a westerner, or that I am against genuinely anti-colonial projects organised/headed by anarchists. I hope that you do not conflate my criticism of anarchists often (but not always) taking the side of the imperial core's invasions, genocides, and other assorted colonial horrors with claiming that anarchists can never oppose colonialism.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    No I'm with you, I mostly mean that the kinds of leftists on Lemmy and Reddit paint Koreans as brainless insects that just followed with "muh authoritarianism" instead of actually learning about the history of resistance to colonialism.

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    • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Whats the difference between an Anarchist and a Libertarian?

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago

    Small l libertarians? Almost nothing. Joseph Dejacque, the person who coined the term is generally considered anarcho-communist. And criminally unknown.

    Big L Libertarians are just cosplayers. If you advocate against big government but not big businesses. Are you really libertarian? No. They hold the disproven belief that the market will regulate itself in absence of government. Government got into regulation of business because they didn't and can't. They both metastasize into calcified structures of power focused on maintaining themselves. Over the good of the people.

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    • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    In all this "left, right, middle, half-left but with a sprinkle of right and a cherry on top" debate I keep wondering why nobody ever mentions humanism anymore.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    I find anarchist principles to line up with humanism very well. Capitalism is inherently dehumanising and hierarchical power structures can be too. How we organize ourselves in society is coupled with how we treat each other.

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    • [–] -5 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    The same anarchists that are willing to side with capitalists over other leftists?

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Authoritarianism can be a deciding factor. Anarchist are very against it. So when it comes to groups that supposedly share the same economic ideology but have different goals. Anarchists have found themselves othered and slaughtered. Sometimes people can have the same goals but different ideas about how to get there. And still respect eachother. I would ally with anyone who values consent over those that do not.

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    • [+] -6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)
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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Leftists in general are going to have more vegans than nons, but we're still a minority in them, whether its an anarchist or marxist group.

    One of the most virulent anti-vegans I met was an anarchist, who thought that dictating their food choices offended their "autonomy."

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I'm sure many are vegan but I actually read this recently

    https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-veganism-why-not

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Likewise, fighting the exploitation of animals and veganism are not the same thing, and the question of whether the latter is useful for the former is also necessary to debate.

    "Is not killing their babies really necessary to stop exploitation 🤔"

    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    carnists really are something

    edit: would reeaallly love to hear the downvoters reasoning, like how do you square animal liberation and the slaughter necessary for sustained egg and milk production?

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  • [+] -2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)
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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago*

    Sorry, no I think it's a reasonable article. At the very least I thought it was an interesting take as a non-vegan. My point was veganism is not a prequisite for an anarchist -- this was written by one of the more profilic anarchist writers active today.

    Also, isnt this sentence a textbook strawman by you yourself? You're literally making up a quote. Lol

    So much strawmaning! "There's no such thing as vegan ideology so I get to define veganism as is convenient for me." Gimme a break.

    Edit: phrasing. Also, if you only read that far, you barely even made it past the introduction.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    We don't need a dozen anarchists practicing your anarchy perfectly, we need a world of anarchists doing the best the can for the world

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    You can't have one without the other.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    Should perfect be a barrier to progress?

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Nope, but not valuing consent. That's a massive barrier.

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