▲ 68 ▼ The Left's Conscience (thelemmy.club) submitted 10 months ago by F_State@midwest.social to c/completeanarchy@lemmy.ml 41 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] jerkface@lemmy.ca -6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] F_State@midwest.social [S] 6 points 10 months ago Some are permalink fedilink source parent [–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) Leftists in general are going to have more vegans than nons, but we're still a minority in them, whether its an anarchist or marxist group. One of the most virulent anti-vegans I met was an anarchist, who thought that dictating their food choices offended their "autonomy." permalink fedilink source parent [–] jwiggler@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago (3 children) I'm sure many are vegan but I actually read this recently https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-veganism-why-not permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] OrganicMustard@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago That text is very confusing. Many sentences contradict the previous one, and contains multiple ideas that are opposite to anarchism. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) Likewise, fighting the exploitation of animals and veganism are not the same thing, and the question of whether the latter is useful for the former is also necessary to debate. "Is not killing their babies really necessary to stop exploitation 🤔" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 carnists really are something edit: would reeaallly love to hear the downvoters reasoning, like how do you square animal liberation and the slaughter necessary for sustained egg and milk production? permalink fedilink source parent [+] jerkface@lemmy.ca -2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jwiggler@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago* Sorry, no I think it's a reasonable article. At the very least I thought it was an interesting take as a non-vegan. My point was veganism is not a prequisite for an anarchist -- this was written by one of the more profilic anarchist writers active today. Also, isnt this sentence a textbook strawman by you yourself? You're literally making up a quote. Lol So much strawmaning! "There's no such thing as vegan ideology so I get to define veganism as is convenient for me." Gimme a break. Edit: phrasing. Also, if you only read that far, you barely even made it past the introduction. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mmhmm@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) We don't need a dozen anarchists practicing your anarchy perfectly, we need a world of anarchists doing the best the can for the world permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@piefed.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) You can't have one without the other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mmhmm@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Should perfect be a barrier to progress? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@piefed.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 child) Nope, but not valuing consent. That's a massive barrier. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FranklyIGiveADarn@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) What if they consented? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@piefed.world -3 points 10 months ago Then it wouldn't be an issue. But traditionally capitalism and Leninism view consent as something to circumvent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) Leftists in general are going to have more vegans than nons, but we're still a minority in them, whether its an anarchist or marxist group. One of the most virulent anti-vegans I met was an anarchist, who thought that dictating their food choices offended their "autonomy." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jwiggler@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago (3 children) I'm sure many are vegan but I actually read this recently https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-veganism-why-not permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] OrganicMustard@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago That text is very confusing. Many sentences contradict the previous one, and contains multiple ideas that are opposite to anarchism. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) Likewise, fighting the exploitation of animals and veganism are not the same thing, and the question of whether the latter is useful for the former is also necessary to debate. "Is not killing their babies really necessary to stop exploitation 🤔" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 carnists really are something edit: would reeaallly love to hear the downvoters reasoning, like how do you square animal liberation and the slaughter necessary for sustained egg and milk production? permalink fedilink source parent [+] jerkface@lemmy.ca -2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jwiggler@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago* Sorry, no I think it's a reasonable article. At the very least I thought it was an interesting take as a non-vegan. My point was veganism is not a prequisite for an anarchist -- this was written by one of the more profilic anarchist writers active today. Also, isnt this sentence a textbook strawman by you yourself? You're literally making up a quote. Lol So much strawmaning! "There's no such thing as vegan ideology so I get to define veganism as is convenient for me." Gimme a break. Edit: phrasing. Also, if you only read that far, you barely even made it past the introduction. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OrganicMustard@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago That text is very confusing. Many sentences contradict the previous one, and contains multiple ideas that are opposite to anarchism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) Likewise, fighting the exploitation of animals and veganism are not the same thing, and the question of whether the latter is useful for the former is also necessary to debate. "Is not killing their babies really necessary to stop exploitation 🤔" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 carnists really are something edit: would reeaallly love to hear the downvoters reasoning, like how do you square animal liberation and the slaughter necessary for sustained egg and milk production? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] jerkface@lemmy.ca -2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jwiggler@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago* Sorry, no I think it's a reasonable article. At the very least I thought it was an interesting take as a non-vegan. My point was veganism is not a prequisite for an anarchist -- this was written by one of the more profilic anarchist writers active today. Also, isnt this sentence a textbook strawman by you yourself? You're literally making up a quote. Lol So much strawmaning! "There's no such thing as vegan ideology so I get to define veganism as is convenient for me." Gimme a break. Edit: phrasing. Also, if you only read that far, you barely even made it past the introduction. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jwiggler@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago* Sorry, no I think it's a reasonable article. At the very least I thought it was an interesting take as a non-vegan. My point was veganism is not a prequisite for an anarchist -- this was written by one of the more profilic anarchist writers active today. Also, isnt this sentence a textbook strawman by you yourself? You're literally making up a quote. Lol So much strawmaning! "There's no such thing as vegan ideology so I get to define veganism as is convenient for me." Gimme a break. Edit: phrasing. Also, if you only read that far, you barely even made it past the introduction. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mmhmm@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) We don't need a dozen anarchists practicing your anarchy perfectly, we need a world of anarchists doing the best the can for the world permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@piefed.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) You can't have one without the other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mmhmm@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Should perfect be a barrier to progress? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@piefed.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 child) Nope, but not valuing consent. That's a massive barrier. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FranklyIGiveADarn@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) What if they consented? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@piefed.world -3 points 10 months ago Then it wouldn't be an issue. But traditionally capitalism and Leninism view consent as something to circumvent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) You can't have one without the other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mmhmm@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Should perfect be a barrier to progress? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@piefed.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 child) Nope, but not valuing consent. That's a massive barrier. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FranklyIGiveADarn@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) What if they consented? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@piefed.world -3 points 10 months ago Then it wouldn't be an issue. But traditionally capitalism and Leninism view consent as something to circumvent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mmhmm@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Should perfect be a barrier to progress? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@piefed.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 child) Nope, but not valuing consent. That's a massive barrier. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FranklyIGiveADarn@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) What if they consented? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@piefed.world -3 points 10 months ago Then it wouldn't be an issue. But traditionally capitalism and Leninism view consent as something to circumvent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 child) Nope, but not valuing consent. That's a massive barrier. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FranklyIGiveADarn@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) What if they consented? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@piefed.world -3 points 10 months ago Then it wouldn't be an issue. But traditionally capitalism and Leninism view consent as something to circumvent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FranklyIGiveADarn@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) What if they consented? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@piefed.world -3 points 10 months ago Then it wouldn't be an issue. But traditionally capitalism and Leninism view consent as something to circumvent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eldritch@piefed.world -3 points 10 months ago Then it wouldn't be an issue. But traditionally capitalism and Leninism view consent as something to circumvent. permalink fedilink source parent