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[–] 138 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Never fun for anybody

Meanwhile, at Microsoft:

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  • [–] 81 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    They're also upping the sub price for some home user office plans. Apparently it's milk the customer time at microsoft.

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  • [–] 53 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Part of the problem is that most of the people making these decisions have been seeing their incomes and net worth increase steadily over the past decade. They don't truly understand their subscriber base.

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  • [–] 67 points 11 months ago

    Xbox: "Price Increases Are Never Fun For Anybody"

    Meanwhile Xbox execs:

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  • [–] 55 points 11 months ago (23 children)

    I remember when GamePass was first announced and everybody lauded Microsoft for being “pro-consumer” and outright cheered when they started buying up independent studios.

    I remember being downvoted to oblivion for pointing out the very obvious 5 year plan for GP and the fact that it would go… exactly the way it’s currently going.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    I feel like I responded to this exact comment on Reddit years ago saying the same. The thing people don't realize, is subscriptions give you zero control of ownership and it's always in the best interest of the corp to bait and switch.

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    [–] 42 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Sacrifice the future for a temporary revenue/profit go up

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  • [–] 40 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (13 children)

    Raising the price of hardware twice since May and now raising the price of game pass by 50% is not something a company would do if they're interested in competing against Sony or Nintendo. Clearly Microsoft has thrown in the towel on XBOX. Only thing left for Microsoft to do is announce cancellation of next gen console altogether and do layoffs. I don't know when that will happen but it's inevitable at this point.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    yup they'll go the route of Sega. The writing has been on the wall with the Xbox Division for awhile now that I'm honestly surprised they're still trying to "make it work".

    Xbox was a weird one. I haven't used one since the 360 and honestly I couldn't even begin to tell you what the next console in the line was after the 360. was it the series x? was it the one? I dont' know. I mean after buying like 5 360s because of red ring or whatever why would I continue that idiocy?

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Lol yeah the naming was incredibly bad. But I'm pretty sure it was 360 -> one -> series. I only owned the original one (not the One one) and a 360 which luckily was unaffected by RRoD.

    I think the 360 was really good all things considered, it was a good console at the time and MS actually helped getting smaller studios their stuff into the store with summer of arcade. It also captured a lot of interest from third party studios. All in all pretty solid. Damn shame that the RRoD tainted the console so much.

    Segmenting the market after into S and X was a really dumb move in my opinion. The other one was trying to turn it into an entertainment machine instead of a game console (TV, TV, TV, sports...)

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  • [–] 37 points 11 months ago
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    It's fun for the people making more profit.

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  • [–] 34 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    They've made very clear that they're reducing functionality, dropping products including their gaming companies, and raising prices across the board to somehow come up with billions for AI. They no longer care about their customers or employees, only this holy grail quest for money that will evaporate. Dump Microsoft.

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    [–] 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    Microsoft was never going to make gaming affordable. The entire goal of GP is like any subscription service, to get you hooked so they can increase the prices. Microsoft is not and never was a pro consumer company. And GamePass is Microsoft’s attempt at making a hardwareless console. It’s a BYOD walled garden. It’s bad for consumers and bad for developers and publishers. Consumers will own nothing and studios are beholden to MS gatekeepers. Some account manager basically decides how much the devs will be financially compensated before the game is even released, instead of letting the market decide. Remember those court documents which showed how much they under valued Baldur’s Gate 3. If you think the standard 30% store cut is outrageous GamePass is on another level of bad. Sure they are currently showering devs in cash, but once MS has a significant chunk of the market they are going to turn off that tap. We’ve seen it with Netflix and Spotify. Like even the most popular artists earn fractions of cents per user.

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    [–] 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    but we're trying to reinforce by adding more value to these plans as well."
    Fortnite Crew and Ubisoft+ Classics

    So if you don't play Fortnite and aren't interested in 15 different Assassin's Creed titles, fuck you I guess

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    Imagine, if you will, the possibility of NOT increasing prices 50% to give us the "additional value" of shit we don't want.

    I was happy paying for games, but suddenly I'm extremely willing to get back into piracy. Fucking weird, right?

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    [–] 16 points 11 months ago

    Except your CEO the boardroom and the shareholders

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago

    Lol, but here's one anyway. - Microsoft

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    It's something we don't take lightly, and we're listening to the feedback of players and the community to try to provide them with more of what they’re asking for.

    God they will never understand that we see right through their bullshit corpo-speak answers will they. Everything they just said is nothing. They don't take it lightly. They are listening. They will try. There is nothing concrete in that wet paper towel of an answer.

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    [–] 16 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Especially for the companies who disappear because they were too greedy.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I'm trying to think of a single example and I'm struggling

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    McDonald's is the most clear cut example, although that's ongoing

    There's been countless little companies that sent themselves into death spirals with a price hike, but when they're big their remains are pounced on, or they experience a slow decline before collapsing to a failed pivot

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    You're selling an underpowered console that spies on the home for 800usd. Stfu about the price being tough on the company

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    While they might or might not have reasons to raise prices, those people who cancelled their subscriptions definitively had their reason.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago

    So, if there had been no cancellations and their customers had just paid their bills without comment or criticism, they'd still have been telling us how terrible they felt about the whole thing?

    Bovine Excrement.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Infinite growth is impossible, so they switched to squeezing something until it breaks, then identifying the next thing to squeeze. Eventually, they run out of things to squeeze, and switch to squeezing the people directly.

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    [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    Look at that added value, tho

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Is it fair to blame 343 Studios' incredibly, laughably incompetent handling of the Halo franchise for this? And by this I mean the obvious death of the Xbox as a gaming platform. Or, from a different perspective, could Halo have actually saved the Xbox if the games had been amazing, or even just good?

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    [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Thank you captain obvious?

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    I would never give Microsoft money for their shitty subscription, so it is kind of fun for me.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    So a dumb question: last email stated, if there be any changes in costs, they will notify me 60 days prior but I still haven't got anything from M$... Aren't they running head first into an giant lawsuit in Europe? Still going to cancel the subscription though

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