A community for everything related to Palestine and the occupation currently underway by the occupying force known as Israel.
Anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism. Existence is resistance for Palestinians.
Please refer to Israel as Occupied Palestine, or occupied territories. The IDF is a fascist and ethnonationalist occupying force. Israelis are settlers. We understand however that the imperial narrative (which tries to legitimise Israel) is internalised in the imperial core and slip-ups are naturally expected.
We always take the sides of Palestine and Palestinians and are unapologetic about it. Israel is an occupying power whose "defence force"'s (note the contradiction) sole purpose for existing is to push Palestinians out so they can resettle their rightful land. If you have anything positive to say about Israel we do not care.
The genocide is still ongoing and many things are still developing in Palestine, but we are removing the limitation on only posting things related to the operation Flood of Al-Aqsa to this thread, you can now freely post over Lemmygrad again.
Please don't stop talking about Palestine.
Due to popular demand, please keep all posts about the operation to this megathread, sitewide.
The zionists funneled the residents of Gaza at the Egyptian border, telling them that's where they were allowed to escape.
Then they bombed it.
The world is literally watching a holocaust happen. Not just reading about it like in the 40s. But watching it. And liberals are either ignoring it or standing with the ones perpetrating it.
Not a single person who stands with Israel should be allowed to forget what they supported.
Not just reading about it like in the 40s. But watching it. And liberals are either ignoring it or standing with the ones perpetrating it.
They did the same exact thing almost a century ago. It was the Red Army who brought the Holocaust to an end, not the West.
If only we had a Soviet Red Army now...
One of the saddest facts that you can learn as communist about the history of the Palestinian occupation is that the settler colonial army was as successful as it was during the first few decades of its existence thanks to incorporating a large number of Red Army veterans with experience conducting operations on the eastern front in WW2...
Settlers deserve nothing but death. All are fascists. All are Nazis. Burn Israel to the ground.
The music festival was one of the most egregious displays of "civilian" settler disregard for Palestinian life I think is even possible. A literal rave on stolen land next to the concetration camp filled with the people they stole that land from. And that is what western media uses as anti-resistance atrocity propaganda.
We are run by a neoliberal crowd of crooked scumbags. Irish people like to pride ourselves as some kind of freedom fighting rebels in our idealistic daydreams. When it comes to material reality, we vote in wankers who run the state as an oppressive arm of the USA. The people see themselves as one thing but when push comes to shove we're no different to the people who oppressed us.
My city just refused a pro Palestina protest that was planned tomorrow. The same city of which the far right mayor today remembered Israeli victims and called Palestina's uprising terrorism. The same city of which the police force has recently been trained by the Israeli police force.
The protest is still happening, albeit at a different place. And I'll be going.
I was off the grid without internet for the past week, and I come back online to find out that the Third Intifada may have started. It's one of those weeks Lenin told us about. Here's hoping this is the beginning of something really meaningful to Palestinian freedom.
REMEMBER: the Occupier is unpopular the world over. People by and large stand with Palestine, even in the imperial core. The reason they are trying to outlaw protests for Palestine and supporting Palestine is because the ruling ideas are the ideas of the ruling class, and governments want to make their people think that support for Palestine is lower than it really is.
Israel has threatened Syria and Lebanon if they enter the conflict that Israel will wipe them off the face of the earth, rumors of the US and Israel discussing joint action if things escalate.
Not fear mongering or anything, but This could very quickly fall into a global conflict. Eyes on the news comrades.
Also a sad reminder the US gave Israel nuclear weapons and it is the known 'unofficial' but stated policy of that regime to use their nuclear weapons in revenge strikes should their regime fall or be in significant danger of falling.
Yeah, things went from oh boy hope the US and Russia don't fight to, oh boy, I hope the entire world doesn't nuke each other because Israel has to keep being an apartheid, like really really bad, in like 48 hours. Got whiplash at this point.
Biden first: 'I totally saw images of beheaded babies!'
White House statement now: 'Biden did not ever see those images and they can't be verified'
Libs and others, if you are reading this, please support the right side of history. You are propagandized to hell the same way people were with Iraq, Vietnam, Cuba etc.
Israel has the better weapons and allies in terms of military power. That's not always the most important thing, but what are the prospects of Palestina being successful? And what possible allies will they have? I don't see Iran coming to help anytime soon tbh.
I saw Scott Ritter had some interesting insights that MSM, as usual, is missing: Palestinians have much more will to fight. Israelis are a settler nation and most of them have second citizenships they can flee to. Palestinians don't. For a Palestinian soldier the consequence of surrender is just a slower death than what they'd get if they keep fighting. An Israeli on the battlefield has a lot more to lose from taking any risks compared to fleeing. A Palestinian soldier has nowhere to flee to.
He also noted that if Hezbollah commit as well, all of Israel's neighbours are gonna see it as a now-or-never chance to finally rid themselves of having a nuclear-armed US puppet on their doorstep; and if they don't take it and let Israel make a bloodbath of Gaza and the West Bank, they'll become more stable and consolidated than ever.
To add to what you're arguing, every time Gaza is bombarded, more people are displaced, more people are left without a home, more people are radicalized and therefore the number of members in the militia grows. What is someone, who is physically apt to fight, going to do in such a situation? No home, nowhere to go unless you can somewhat cross half of occupied Palestine. Every member of the militia is nothing but a radicalized civilian, and every civilian is a potential militia member.
I see the situation as a Warsaw Ghetto Uprising situation. They aren’t meant to succeed. It’s a desperate measure to risk it all for a chance of survival, or die trying.
The Germans had more men who were experienced, veteran soldiers with tanks, and superior weapons; but the Jewish fighters still tried.
It’s a suicide mission, but they’ve accepted the costs. We can only hope for their success.
Words cannot describe the rage I am feeling right now. Palestine's liberation is such a fucking softball, and if people can so easily cheer for their genocide I frankly don't know what to do with myself in the US.
Apologies for the 'Dear Diary' type post, but I really just don't know how to alleviate this intense feeling.
Al-Qassam brigades have announced they will essentially* execute one prisoner for every Palestinian killed by the bombing on Gaza.
In my opinion this is the only thing they can do to regain control of the situation. Israel has been indiscriminately bombing Gaza since yesterday, and has already killed some of their own people in Gaza.
This is essentially shifting the power struggle to Hamas, who now gets to decide when POWs die instead of the IOF. We'll see if it stops the bombing.
Israel is bombing indiscriminately. They don't even know where these hostages are and could very well be bombing them. They don't give a fuck about their own civilians in the first place.
Yeah part of me thinks they want all the hostages dead so they can better play up the Palestinians are barbarians who must be eradicated angle domestically and internationally. If they should have to help with that via bombing, being unreasonable, etc, I think the vile government there might consider that a small price to pay to finally get to carry out its genocide to the final stage.
The more dead white people the more CNN can sob about "monsters". If you think liberals went crazy over relatively white looking Russians attacking honorary white Ukrainians you haven't seen anything yet once the media whips people into a frenzy over the evil brown savage hordes massacring the innocent, beautiful whites. They could see a real opportunity here to create a power play where they can steamroll over decades of organizing against Israeli apartheid and in one emotional swoop push repressive laws into place criminalizing and clamping down hard on support of Palestine and basically driving the western consensus to no longer care about it, to label any support of Palestinians as antisemitism.
I mean you have to look for education at the US and things like operation Northwoods, strategy of tension, gladio, terrorism in Europe post WW2 and realize Israel received their education from these people. Their existing strategy we must remember includes things like inciting hatred of Jews by tying them to zionism to drive more Jews to Israel to increase their own legitimacy. That Jews die as part of that process is not a problem to them.
They're already masters at spin, have numerous orgs aside from the bourgeois press set up for manipulation of opinions, spreading out of context photos, etc. So the blowback on them upping the ante by "refusing to give in to demands of terrorists" as they'll put it will likely be very minimal, the dead hostages will be lionized, their deaths used to justify further atrocities and if any of their families deviate from that line and try to blame the regime in Tel Aviv, well, they'll be silenced in short order, deplatformed.
The situation does not look great for an ideal resolution. The Palestinian people at this point just need to resist ferociously enough that the IDF is thrown back and can only engage in air strikes rather than actually succeeding in a ground operation.
The EU gave a speech saying that 'jews were killed just because they are jews, again' so that might be the new tactic. Antisemitism and not, you know, colonialism or something.
Zionists invoking the Holocaust when they get push back, only to then immediately publish blood libel and call for the extermination of the Palestinian people is my jokerification moment. We need a thousand GULAGs to re-educate Europeans and European Americans. Holy shit.
I thought the rhetoric in this was interesting:
https://www.npr.org/2023/10/09/1204639253/israel-gaza-hamas-us-citizens-killed
There's all the passive voice and spin you'd expect, but they specifically quote:
She said that the images of Israeli civilians being killed and taken hostage are disturbing, something many do not want to see. But she said this kind of reaction was "expected."
"We don't like to see images like that, but it's a fight," Saeid said. "It's a reaction for what Gazans here living since 2006 and since the occupation started, from 1948, and no one just caring about Gaza.".
That's not something I'd expect to read in imperial core media.
There are a lot more westerners that support Palestinians than you'd expect tbh, even in media.
Israel dropped 6000 bombs in the last few days. That's as much as the US did on Afghanistan IN A YEAR. Afghanistan is 1800x bigger than Gaza.
Just went to the local Vigil for Palestine but apparently the org canceled it just before the start, because the city didn't want to give a permit. Still like 150 people showed up to lay flowers and burn candles. Police being the fascist fucks they are started intimidating people mourning a massacre.
Fucking fascists
arguing with a zionist side by side with a ukraine flag was the weirdest thing ive done today
Getting banned from r/worldnews for stating the objective fact that Israel propped up HAMAS to oppose the secular/leftist groups and now that's biting them back is the weirdest thing I've done today
To no surprise, now that there is a new major human rights catastrophy in the middle east, europeans are more worried about refugees entering their countries than the horrors inflicted on these people.
Context on the music festival:
Can't imagine rolling face directly between the world's largest prison camp, and the guards that kept them there.
No shit the militants headed directly for Re'im.
A Dutch channel has investigated the claim of Hamas calling for a 'Day of Terror'. They contacted a Dutch newspaper, who said they got the info from a Jewish org, who said they got it from Reuters, who based it on a video of a former Hamas commander who called for 'days of protests around the world, to show the anger on their city squares'.
So, they did NOT call for terror, but for protests.
Just a brief comment to observe how Western laws make it so difficult to find out what's happening. We saw/see this in relation to Ukraine. But in relation to Palestine it's worse.
Once one person has made a negative claim about a Palestinian group, it's practically impossible to challenge. Each claim forcibly and legally pushes the overton window towards favouring Israel. Anyone who tries publicly to move it the other way is in danger of being branded a terrorist supporter. Not just an accusation, but actual criminal repercusions if it's construed as support for a proscribed organisation.
That makes things significantly harder to speak about things objectively, in an environment that we know discourages truth even without the threat of criminality (as in Ukraine, although that's slowly changing).
Stay safe, comrades, and be careful how you frame your support for Palestine in 'public'.
Israeli officials are saying they will completely destroy Gaza. And European officials just held a minute of silence for Israel.
It's going to be a genocide, isn't it?
The Belgian Union has decided to boycot the handling of cargo in the (air)ports that contains weapons deliveries to Israel
Our party leader Raoul Hedenbouw went on French Belgian tv to say Israel is a terrorist state and a genocidal apartheidsregime and the hosts were absolutely fuming lmao. 'ISRAEL THE ONLY DEMOCRACY IN THE MIDDLE EAST YOU CANT COMPARE THEM TO HAMAS REEEEE'
IDF tells 1.1 million Palestinians to move away from Northern Gaza.
This is impossible, of course, and I suspect they only say this to pat themselves in the back when they attack and kill tens or maybe hundreds of thousands civilians.
Someone from the UNRWA is on BBC News right now saying that UN hospitals will cease operations tomorrow if they don't get more fuel, and the reason for this decision is humanitarianism. They need to prioritise rations of fuel to power the water desalination plant and remaining bakeries, or else the people of Gaza won't be able to drink water or eat bread. The UN has been able to provide bags of wheat flour through the Rafah crossing, but bakeries need water from the desalination plant to bake it into bread.
Already there is footage of injured people being rushed into hospitals in the darkness, other than from light from phone torches.
"Can you imagine what it is going to be like on the ground if you have to halt your operations and if there is a ground offensive?"
"It is going to be hell on Earth."
Activist Ahed Tamimi has been arrested by Israel last night. She has close ties with our party.
Free Ahed and Free Palestina ✊🏻🇵🇸
I had maybe a ten minute conversation with a Palestinian customer the other day about the operation and Israel's response. It was rather enlightening.
He spoke of Ishmael, he spoke of the Arabs and Jews as being brothers. I mentioned 1948. We talked of most Palestinians welcoming many Jewish settlers -- viewed at that time as refugees, even -- with open arms, only for those accepting natives to be slaughtered soon thereafter.
We pondered together whether razing a hospital and destroying a mosque were adequate responses to children throwing stones at tanks.
He seemed very relieved to talk to anyone with a modicum of understanding. He said "you are a very smart guy" as he left. It was a strange but welcome experience. If I prayed, I would pray for his family in Palestine. I know we have some religious comrades, here, and I would implore you to include them in your prayers, if you so wish.
My father in law visited today and I dreaded the Palestine conversation. I must say he surprised me, being pretty Pro Palestine. But my gf surprised me even more in convincing him, suddenly quoting UN agreements on armed resistance, bringing materialism into the conversation, and talking about not dropping ideals to conform to the majority. I was like YAS QUEEEN GO and her father was even more surprised it seemed.
I just hope the rage of the general public reaches explosion point soon.
