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[–] 39 points 11 months ago (1 child)

Damn. Seeing explicitly socialist candidates on ballots in my lifetime is inspiring. PSL might actually get me out to voooooooooooooooooooooooote.

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  • [–] 36 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    I look forward to the electoralism struggle sessions this will cause sicko-flipped

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  • [–] 31 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    i suspect it will be less because we're generally more positive on the PSL than the DSA.

    lenin quote about "[our] own parties" applies to them in a way it doesn't to the socdem entryists.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    If it was DSA by itself, I would probably be less nervous about him, but it's also the Democratic party he's entering, which is a den of snakes. These guys aren't running as Dems, which unfortunately probably also means they'll get a lot less attention.

    But the positive side is that attention they do get will funnel people to actually socialist parties, and not the Democratic Party.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Should be pretty easy to differentiate from one NYC mayor since these aren't running as Democrats and won't have meetings with all the zionist socdems that they come out with worse takes from over and over

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    Yeah, these PSL candidates and Sawant running as a Trot(?) are completely different for the simple reason that the orgs they are running on behalf of are at least nominally socialist while Mamdani is running on behalf of a party that once thought slaves were happier as slaves and slaves who ran away from their masters suffer from a mental disorder.

    I don't even think the pathetic idea that you could infiltrate bourgeois parties in the vain hopes that you can "flip" them counts as electoralism. Actually existing electoralism is doing the hard work of building your own political party from the ground up. MAS was build from the ground up, and when MAS betrayed the masses who build it for them, the party was unceremoniously abandoned and left to rot.

    The only exception is Corbyn except that Labour started out as a socialist-leaning party. He was fighting for the soul of the party, and when he lost out to the Blairites, he's now doing the hard work of building his own party. Perhaps it's a political miscalculation to think that Labour could be saved, especially given that Labour never did anything to stop British imperialism, but there's nothing worth saving about a party that once thought slaves were happier as slaves and slaves who ran away from their masters suffer from a mental disorder.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago

    I have a strong feeling these candidates won't get anywhere near the level of media attention Mamdani is receiving. Part of what drives the media attention around him is the fact that he is running as a Democrat, and the Democrats hate him for it.

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  • [–] 26 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I don't know much about SEO or social media marketing, but hashtag doesn't seem like it'll catch on.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    #TheHistoryOfAllHithertoExistingSocietyIsTheHistoryOfClassStruggles

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  • [–] 25 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    yes-hahaha-yes-1yes-hahaha-yes-2

    FINALLY! Hell yeah, I'm so glad to hear PSL will start running local candidates! They just gained another big fan. Seem like the best party in the US.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I’m a fan of these candidates, but I feel like local would’ve been mayor of some city in CA, like Oakland, SF, or LA. Tho maybe state level is the right size idk

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    They've been running local candidates the whole time

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    It's a good question, I think their media reach just hasn't been as strong until recently and the campaigns never went anywhere. They run under Peace and Freedom Party. I've been pretty critical of these campaigns over the years because of how much energy and resources they must take and how PSL was choosing to do that instead of organize in other ways, but I'm not a member.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Maybe they only bother promoting the Presidential campaign? Seems like it should go the other way because I've heard of their Presidential campaigns, not local campaigns. Then again, I'm not in their area.

    But I've been asking on here if PSL runs any local candidates and I've always been told 'No, that isn't their strategy.' Now my one major complaint against them is resolved and they apparently did this the entire time, which is really annoying but good for them I guess.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_and_Freedom_Party

    There are lists some of the campaigns on here, the party goes back to Huey Newton running in 1968 but I'm not sure when PSL got involved and which year they became the dominant voice in the party.

    La Rivas first congressional campaign is listed there as 2010, her first CA governor campaign was 1994.

    It doesn't seem like the most local campaigns are here though, I can't find a list of campaigns beyond presidency, governor, congress

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    But I've been asking on here if PSL runs any local candidates and I've always been told 'No, that isn't their strategy.' Now my one major complaint against them is resolved and they apparently did this the entire time, which is really annoying but good for them I guess.

    Time to poach some of that Mamdani tallent to run their media operation for local elections. I've had the same thoughts and was informed of the same thing, but now I'm told they've been running them the whole time? I'd never know if they were running in my area, I guess.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    There has been a very small number of local campaigns. Lalo, the insurance commissioner candidate here, ran for LA city council two years ago. There's a city councilor in the Finger Lakes area. The party's going to be doing more electoral campaigns going forward since it's grown so much and has the resources to do so more meaningfully.

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    The insurance czar of California need to be Minecrafted.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    LOL The comments in this thread are AWESOME.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Didn't the Bolsheviks promote electoralism too? Not as a main strategy of course, but as like a means of recruitment?

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    Yes. Specifically to "count their numbers" as a means to gage their overall support. There were also legal benefits that came with electoral status, such as party immunity for Pravda, their party paper. The electoral process was also needlessly complicated and highly undemocratic. The Tsar wanted nothing to do with the Duma, it was basically symbolic. Eventually the Tsar broke its own promises of immunity, which was a catalyst for advancing the revolutionary movement.

    Counting your numbers still has value. Under American electoralism you have the potential for free messaging through interviews and debates that allow you to spread your socialist agenda. Compared to the Tsarist system, American electoralism is vastly more democratic, but obfuscates its most undemocratic elements by the massive influence money plays in your reach and success. Despite that, it allows you to recruit "professional revolutionaries" into the party, and use electoralism as a means of educating the backward masses on what socialism actually is.

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