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[–] 181 points 3 years ago (142 children)

Remember, we know how to address many of the world's problems, including poverty, homelessness, and climate change.

But those with capital in society choose not to.

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  • [–] 51 points 3 years ago (49 children)

    Those with capital choose not to

    Those with capital profit off of not doing so.

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  • [–] 30 points 3 years ago* (4 children)

    Like the one recent CEO saying the quiet part aloud by saying government should promote higher unemployment, since in the high employment environment employees aren't desperate and have more demands costing him money. That employees arent feeling enough pain and despair in economy.

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    [–] 144 points 3 years ago (47 children)

    Every single study on UBI finds that it is a good idea that benefits both the recipients and society as a whole, but because it contradicts the dominant ideology it can't be allowed to happen.

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  • [–] 80 points 3 years ago (20 children)

    If people aren't forced to work to live then how can I get cheap labor for my shitty business that my dad gave me?

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    Which we all know would happen IMMEDIATELY in lockstep with any widespread rollout of UBI, and any complaint would be met with half the country screeching "FREE MARKET REEEEEE"

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago*

    There was a UBI experiment in canada that was a huge success and of course the tories axed it as soon as they had the chance. Conservatives need to [extremely long bleep] ... [yeah still bleeping] ... ... [still going] ... [leeeeep] -yeah i'm going to have to redact this in post.

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    [–] [S] 54 points 3 years ago (35 children)
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    [–] [S] 38 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Rent is only high because of artificial scarcity of real estate. The scarcity only exists because building new housing is decided neither by supply and demand nor central government planning, but by the people who accumulate more capital if housing isn't built.

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    [–] 38 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    1K a month is pretty trivial compared to the cost of all the public money used to punish them (e.g cops). Even if you don't care about the humanity aspect at all UBI makes sense just from a pure numbers perspective.

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    [–] 22 points 3 years ago

    OK, so you're telling me that giving money to people who need it, is better than giving it to rich people?

    I am Wage Slaves inner shocked pikachu. Same thing, just more sarcastic and massive eye brows.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 years ago

    The cruelty is the point, so this isn't likely to be expanded. capitalist-laugh

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  • [–] 15 points 3 years ago

    To be clear here, while they advocate for UBI this isn't really a study on the topic as much as it is on direct cash payments to the homeless. Which has been supported by tons of different research in Canada, London, so many places I can't even remember them all.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago

    People without money mostly need money.

    Somehow this is surprising and confusing... primarily to people who cannot imagine change.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago

    Wow.

    Can’t wait for this to never roll out nationwide at the Federal level.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

    "Those damn homeless and injuns get EVERYTHING for free"

    -my racist and jaded ass coworker

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    I think my biggest problem with these tests (not the idea of UBI) is that they go entirely based on what the recipients say. There's not really any indication that fact checking is done to confirm they actually are living somewhere now, or they did get their cars fixed, etc.

    I'm confident that the money helped, because obviously it would, but I wish we could get some actual solid data on how much it helped. The cynic in me believes that desperate people getting 1000$/mo will embellish how much it helps in order to keep getting the money, when in reality they need 1500$ or 2000$ to afford housing in Denver.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago

    I'm not sure what definition of UBI you're using, but not all forms of UBI need to cover the entirety of living expenses. UBI is just having income without strings attached. This very study is showing that even small amounts of money can help people get out of shitty situations.

    Also as someone who lives in Dever, it's not that expensive. Sure $1500+ is what you'll pay around LoDo, but there are plenty of cheaper places.

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    [–] 10 points 3 years ago

    I'd love to show this to people who say "but lazy people will be getting paid for nothing" or "competition is human nature" that capitalists made the fuck up, but it'll probably go over their heads, or they'll conveniently say that the test was not done properly

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    the Pew Charitable Trust wrote in a recent analysis that research had "consistently found that homelessness in an area is driven by housing costs."

    Well, yeah, and we can thank investors, landlords and capital funds for that. Housing in Denver is ridiculously expensive currently... and it was bad but not to this extent a few years ago. A house next door to me that was $250k and $1000 a month a few years ago is now $450 and $2100 a month.

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