▲ 909 ▼ UBI Cash Payments Reduced Homelessness, Increased Employment in Denver (www.businessinsider.com) submitted 3 years ago by zephyreks@lemmy.ml [M] to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml 274 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 years ago (14 children) Raise their rent permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] Facebones@reddthat.com 17 points 3 years ago (13 children) Which we all know would happen IMMEDIATELY in lockstep with any widespread rollout of UBI, and any complaint would be met with half the country screeching "FREE MARKET REEEEEE" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 years ago (12 children) Guess we better institute rent controls first then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Facebones@reddthat.com 14 points 3 years ago Shut up baby I know it Too bad 80% of the country would call us commies for suggesting it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] krolden@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 years ago* That alone would be better than UBI. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Brawndo@kbin.social -8 points 3 years ago (9 children) Rent Control can only have one outcome. Decreased amount of available new or renovated rentals which coupled with an ever increasing demand for housing, creates some of the housing shortages we see in larger cities today. UBI can be an effective way to fight poverty, and would be an even more effective way to combat poverty if we implemented a Negative Income tax whereby all welfare programs are rolled into the funding. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 years ago More 👏 Empty 👏 Houses 👏 Than 👏 Homeless 👏 People 👏 permalink fedilink source parent [–] darq@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago Rent Control can only have one outcome. Decreased amount of available new or renovated rentals which coupled with an ever increasing demand for housing, creates some of the housing shortages we see in larger cities today. Only if you assume that private landlords are the only way to supply housing. There is no reason to assume that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago (6 children) The maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest revolution in history and led to an almost entirely equitable distribution of land ownership permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Brawndo@kbin.social -1 points 3 years ago (5 children) And how did that work out for the estimated 15-55 million people that died of starvation as a result of the "equitable distribution of land ownership"? Source permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 years ago (4 children) Wikipedia lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Brawndo@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Would you like more sources? The Guardian NPR Britannica Al Jazeera permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 years ago* Oh wow, all bourgeois press or capitalist state affiliated media. I'm sure they have no bias that influences their portrayal of communist china. permalink fedilink source parent [–] esbeto@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) What a childish response. So the famine didn't occur because it's documented on Wikipedia? The reasons for the famine are well understood and documented. I don't think defending Mao is the way to go in regards to our modern housing crisis. The housing market issue is also well understood and documented. We know companies and investors have been buying more and more houses, driving up prices. We know wages have not kept pace with rising housing costs. We know the gap between rich and poor has been widening year after year. Why the fuck are we derailing the conversation? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago First off, I'm not denying the famine happened, aim just denying Wikipedia's framing. The death counts are exaggerated and many were connected to devastation caused by the Civil War. Second off, I am not advocating we do mid 20th century agriculture practices and kill the sparrows after doing land reform. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 17 points 3 years ago (13 children) Which we all know would happen IMMEDIATELY in lockstep with any widespread rollout of UBI, and any complaint would be met with half the country screeching "FREE MARKET REEEEEE" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 years ago (12 children) Guess we better institute rent controls first then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Facebones@reddthat.com 14 points 3 years ago Shut up baby I know it Too bad 80% of the country would call us commies for suggesting it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] krolden@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 years ago* That alone would be better than UBI. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Brawndo@kbin.social -8 points 3 years ago (9 children) Rent Control can only have one outcome. Decreased amount of available new or renovated rentals which coupled with an ever increasing demand for housing, creates some of the housing shortages we see in larger cities today. UBI can be an effective way to fight poverty, and would be an even more effective way to combat poverty if we implemented a Negative Income tax whereby all welfare programs are rolled into the funding. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 years ago More 👏 Empty 👏 Houses 👏 Than 👏 Homeless 👏 People 👏 permalink fedilink source parent [–] darq@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago Rent Control can only have one outcome. Decreased amount of available new or renovated rentals which coupled with an ever increasing demand for housing, creates some of the housing shortages we see in larger cities today. Only if you assume that private landlords are the only way to supply housing. There is no reason to assume that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago (6 children) The maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest revolution in history and led to an almost entirely equitable distribution of land ownership permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Brawndo@kbin.social -1 points 3 years ago (5 children) And how did that work out for the estimated 15-55 million people that died of starvation as a result of the "equitable distribution of land ownership"? Source permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 years ago (4 children) Wikipedia lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Brawndo@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Would you like more sources? The Guardian NPR Britannica Al Jazeera permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 years ago* Oh wow, all bourgeois press or capitalist state affiliated media. I'm sure they have no bias that influences their portrayal of communist china. permalink fedilink source parent [–] esbeto@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) What a childish response. So the famine didn't occur because it's documented on Wikipedia? The reasons for the famine are well understood and documented. I don't think defending Mao is the way to go in regards to our modern housing crisis. The housing market issue is also well understood and documented. We know companies and investors have been buying more and more houses, driving up prices. We know wages have not kept pace with rising housing costs. We know the gap between rich and poor has been widening year after year. Why the fuck are we derailing the conversation? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago First off, I'm not denying the famine happened, aim just denying Wikipedia's framing. The death counts are exaggerated and many were connected to devastation caused by the Civil War. Second off, I am not advocating we do mid 20th century agriculture practices and kill the sparrows after doing land reform. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 years ago (12 children) Guess we better institute rent controls first then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Facebones@reddthat.com 14 points 3 years ago Shut up baby I know it Too bad 80% of the country would call us commies for suggesting it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] krolden@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 years ago* That alone would be better than UBI. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Brawndo@kbin.social -8 points 3 years ago (9 children) Rent Control can only have one outcome. Decreased amount of available new or renovated rentals which coupled with an ever increasing demand for housing, creates some of the housing shortages we see in larger cities today. UBI can be an effective way to fight poverty, and would be an even more effective way to combat poverty if we implemented a Negative Income tax whereby all welfare programs are rolled into the funding. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 years ago More 👏 Empty 👏 Houses 👏 Than 👏 Homeless 👏 People 👏 permalink fedilink source parent [–] darq@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago Rent Control can only have one outcome. Decreased amount of available new or renovated rentals which coupled with an ever increasing demand for housing, creates some of the housing shortages we see in larger cities today. Only if you assume that private landlords are the only way to supply housing. There is no reason to assume that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago (6 children) The maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest revolution in history and led to an almost entirely equitable distribution of land ownership permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Brawndo@kbin.social -1 points 3 years ago (5 children) And how did that work out for the estimated 15-55 million people that died of starvation as a result of the "equitable distribution of land ownership"? Source permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 years ago (4 children) Wikipedia lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Brawndo@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Would you like more sources? The Guardian NPR Britannica Al Jazeera permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 years ago* Oh wow, all bourgeois press or capitalist state affiliated media. I'm sure they have no bias that influences their portrayal of communist china. permalink fedilink source parent [–] esbeto@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) What a childish response. So the famine didn't occur because it's documented on Wikipedia? The reasons for the famine are well understood and documented. I don't think defending Mao is the way to go in regards to our modern housing crisis. The housing market issue is also well understood and documented. We know companies and investors have been buying more and more houses, driving up prices. We know wages have not kept pace with rising housing costs. We know the gap between rich and poor has been widening year after year. Why the fuck are we derailing the conversation? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago First off, I'm not denying the famine happened, aim just denying Wikipedia's framing. The death counts are exaggerated and many were connected to devastation caused by the Civil War. Second off, I am not advocating we do mid 20th century agriculture practices and kill the sparrows after doing land reform. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 14 points 3 years ago Shut up baby I know it Too bad 80% of the country would call us commies for suggesting it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 years ago* That alone would be better than UBI. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Brawndo@kbin.social -8 points 3 years ago (9 children) Rent Control can only have one outcome. Decreased amount of available new or renovated rentals which coupled with an ever increasing demand for housing, creates some of the housing shortages we see in larger cities today. UBI can be an effective way to fight poverty, and would be an even more effective way to combat poverty if we implemented a Negative Income tax whereby all welfare programs are rolled into the funding. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 years ago More 👏 Empty 👏 Houses 👏 Than 👏 Homeless 👏 People 👏 permalink fedilink source parent [–] darq@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago Rent Control can only have one outcome. Decreased amount of available new or renovated rentals which coupled with an ever increasing demand for housing, creates some of the housing shortages we see in larger cities today. Only if you assume that private landlords are the only way to supply housing. There is no reason to assume that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago (6 children) The maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest revolution in history and led to an almost entirely equitable distribution of land ownership permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Brawndo@kbin.social -1 points 3 years ago (5 children) And how did that work out for the estimated 15-55 million people that died of starvation as a result of the "equitable distribution of land ownership"? Source permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 years ago (4 children) Wikipedia lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Brawndo@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Would you like more sources? The Guardian NPR Britannica Al Jazeera permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 years ago* Oh wow, all bourgeois press or capitalist state affiliated media. I'm sure they have no bias that influences their portrayal of communist china. permalink fedilink source parent [–] esbeto@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) What a childish response. So the famine didn't occur because it's documented on Wikipedia? The reasons for the famine are well understood and documented. I don't think defending Mao is the way to go in regards to our modern housing crisis. The housing market issue is also well understood and documented. We know companies and investors have been buying more and more houses, driving up prices. We know wages have not kept pace with rising housing costs. We know the gap between rich and poor has been widening year after year. Why the fuck are we derailing the conversation? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago First off, I'm not denying the famine happened, aim just denying Wikipedia's framing. The death counts are exaggerated and many were connected to devastation caused by the Civil War. Second off, I am not advocating we do mid 20th century agriculture practices and kill the sparrows after doing land reform. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 years ago More 👏 Empty 👏 Houses 👏 Than 👏 Homeless 👏 People 👏 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] darq@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago Rent Control can only have one outcome. Decreased amount of available new or renovated rentals which coupled with an ever increasing demand for housing, creates some of the housing shortages we see in larger cities today. Only if you assume that private landlords are the only way to supply housing. There is no reason to assume that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago (6 children) The maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest revolution in history and led to an almost entirely equitable distribution of land ownership permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Brawndo@kbin.social -1 points 3 years ago (5 children) And how did that work out for the estimated 15-55 million people that died of starvation as a result of the "equitable distribution of land ownership"? Source permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 years ago (4 children) Wikipedia lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Brawndo@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Would you like more sources? The Guardian NPR Britannica Al Jazeera permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 years ago* Oh wow, all bourgeois press or capitalist state affiliated media. I'm sure they have no bias that influences their portrayal of communist china. permalink fedilink source parent [–] esbeto@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) What a childish response. So the famine didn't occur because it's documented on Wikipedia? The reasons for the famine are well understood and documented. I don't think defending Mao is the way to go in regards to our modern housing crisis. The housing market issue is also well understood and documented. We know companies and investors have been buying more and more houses, driving up prices. We know wages have not kept pace with rising housing costs. We know the gap between rich and poor has been widening year after year. Why the fuck are we derailing the conversation? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago First off, I'm not denying the famine happened, aim just denying Wikipedia's framing. The death counts are exaggerated and many were connected to devastation caused by the Civil War. Second off, I am not advocating we do mid 20th century agriculture practices and kill the sparrows after doing land reform. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Brawndo@kbin.social -1 points 3 years ago (5 children) And how did that work out for the estimated 15-55 million people that died of starvation as a result of the "equitable distribution of land ownership"? Source permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 years ago (4 children) Wikipedia lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Brawndo@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Would you like more sources? The Guardian NPR Britannica Al Jazeera permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 years ago* Oh wow, all bourgeois press or capitalist state affiliated media. I'm sure they have no bias that influences their portrayal of communist china. permalink fedilink source parent [–] esbeto@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) What a childish response. So the famine didn't occur because it's documented on Wikipedia? The reasons for the famine are well understood and documented. I don't think defending Mao is the way to go in regards to our modern housing crisis. The housing market issue is also well understood and documented. We know companies and investors have been buying more and more houses, driving up prices. We know wages have not kept pace with rising housing costs. We know the gap between rich and poor has been widening year after year. Why the fuck are we derailing the conversation? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago First off, I'm not denying the famine happened, aim just denying Wikipedia's framing. The death counts are exaggerated and many were connected to devastation caused by the Civil War. Second off, I am not advocating we do mid 20th century agriculture practices and kill the sparrows after doing land reform. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 years ago (4 children) Wikipedia lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Brawndo@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Would you like more sources? The Guardian NPR Britannica Al Jazeera permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 years ago* Oh wow, all bourgeois press or capitalist state affiliated media. I'm sure they have no bias that influences their portrayal of communist china. permalink fedilink source parent [–] esbeto@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) What a childish response. So the famine didn't occur because it's documented on Wikipedia? The reasons for the famine are well understood and documented. I don't think defending Mao is the way to go in regards to our modern housing crisis. The housing market issue is also well understood and documented. We know companies and investors have been buying more and more houses, driving up prices. We know wages have not kept pace with rising housing costs. We know the gap between rich and poor has been widening year after year. Why the fuck are we derailing the conversation? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago First off, I'm not denying the famine happened, aim just denying Wikipedia's framing. The death counts are exaggerated and many were connected to devastation caused by the Civil War. Second off, I am not advocating we do mid 20th century agriculture practices and kill the sparrows after doing land reform. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Brawndo@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Would you like more sources? The Guardian NPR Britannica Al Jazeera permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 years ago* Oh wow, all bourgeois press or capitalist state affiliated media. I'm sure they have no bias that influences their portrayal of communist china. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 years ago* Oh wow, all bourgeois press or capitalist state affiliated media. I'm sure they have no bias that influences their portrayal of communist china. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] esbeto@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) What a childish response. So the famine didn't occur because it's documented on Wikipedia? The reasons for the famine are well understood and documented. I don't think defending Mao is the way to go in regards to our modern housing crisis. The housing market issue is also well understood and documented. We know companies and investors have been buying more and more houses, driving up prices. We know wages have not kept pace with rising housing costs. We know the gap between rich and poor has been widening year after year. Why the fuck are we derailing the conversation? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago First off, I'm not denying the famine happened, aim just denying Wikipedia's framing. The death counts are exaggerated and many were connected to devastation caused by the Civil War. Second off, I am not advocating we do mid 20th century agriculture practices and kill the sparrows after doing land reform. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago First off, I'm not denying the famine happened, aim just denying Wikipedia's framing. The death counts are exaggerated and many were connected to devastation caused by the Civil War. Second off, I am not advocating we do mid 20th century agriculture practices and kill the sparrows after doing land reform. permalink fedilink source parent