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Have a say in what your money will look like!

Participate in our survey and share your preferences on the shortlisted themes for the redesigned euro banknotes.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago

This is the link without the need to click the YouTube video first: https://survey.ecb.europa.eu/euro-banknote-survey

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Rivers: "Might not be relevant for the future"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Birds: β€œMight not be relevant for the future”

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

or a European seascape with a beach, where every grain of sand matters, just as every European citizen counts

Yeah, that’s where I stopped. Maybe stop letting people drown in the ocean. Then we can talk about how a seascape should represent how every person matters.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

To be fair, it just says every European citizen matters...

But yeah, that idea didn't sound great.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Maybe we can add a couple of children corpses on said beach to better reflect how things are going.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oof sounds like one employee there had a good idea (birds), but others were jealous and pushed to have multiple ideas and let citizens vote.

It's going to be birds, Karen. Stop talking about your beach and grains of sand.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, of all the themes in there, birds is by far the best one. Birds are beautiful, there's a link to Europe itself, it's really hard to exclude anyone.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

And it won't look like a pictogram that misses the point.

What is the problem with our fantasy bridges? I like them actually.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just hope that pigeons don't make it onto any denomination. Fucking pests.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Unless they're white, then they're a symbol for peace and get invited to weddings.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The survey is more than abstract and it looks like someone made it in a very old version of Microsoft Frontpage. Also, why didn't they add ALL the EU member countries in the demographic questions is beyond my understanding: it's not like they didn't have space! I'm from Romania and it's not present in the list.. does that mean we're out?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why would you get a vote if you are not even a user of the Euro?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

You can answer even if you're not from EU. It's even specified somewhere in the beginning.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There are cyrillic letters on the current euro banknotes just for the case that Bulgaria joins some day. There was even a big discussion if it should be EBPO (pronounced evro) or EYPO (pronounced euro). They stopped using countries on the coins for the same reason. Everything is designed with expansion in mind, thats why they should also have a say in the design. See also: Bulgaria wins victory in "evro" battle (2007) and Cyrillic alphabet makes first appearance on euro notes (2013)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe it's only countries from the eurozone?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Nope. Bulgaria is in the list and they're "our brothers in arms".

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Are the euro banknotes vegan? I ask because I heard that the UK used animal fat in the production of their banknotes

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Intresting. I never heard of that. A quick google search brought up some articles from that time stating that Euro notes are completely vegan.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

They do use banknotes though. Duh.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

wow this survey is written in such a bizarre way

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not European so no horse in the race, but most of these ideas suck. Just go with the birds I guess, birds are pretty and tried and tested and timeless. Rivers a close second.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Birds are cool, I want to ~~pay with~~ have bird-money.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The whole thing reads like they made the birds allready and than realised this is a democracy and people should have a say in it so the come up with the pther options so the birds win.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm missing two options:

  • First, in the "why do you not like it" detail breakdown, "cheugy". Some are trying so hard it's painful to even read I'd rather have no motif at all instead.
  • Secondly, why the hell does it all need to be one theme. We can have one thing on one note and another on another.
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For us old people, what the hell is "cheugy"?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

This, but generalised. I may even have over-generalised the term.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Second one is so checking fast is easy (ofc in most cases a more indepth one is a good idea anyway)

If every bill is way different someone might think you are trying to use monopoly money, and the guy using the fake money has extra time to get away with it

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Sure, have a uniform graphic design but that doesn't mean that you can't have architecture on one bill and a head on another and a space station on yet another. E.g. Canadian backsides have a gazillion different motifs.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

WHAT something looks LIKE.

HOW something looks.

never

HOW something looks LIKE.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I was very afraid that the themes would have been heavily skewed towards things like landmarks, famous people and events, which would plunge the subsequent discussions about the designs into a cesspit of nationalist in-fighting, but I was actually pleasantly surprised by the presence of a number of more sensible options. Not necessarily good, but sensible at least.

I like the "hands" theme quite a lot, but it might come out a little bad on the graphical side if not well thought out. Still, hands and their symbolism has been present for centuries in Europe to depict values and moral concepts, both religious and secular, I think it could be the best idea to represent abstract European values. I bet that people will just choose the "pretty" option though, so I expect birds, also because it can once again be tied to nationalism.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I expect birds, also because it can once again be tied to nationalism.

You just need to avoid eagles. I expect flamingos, owls, sparrows, swallows, geese and i truly hope for a vulture, please, give us a vulture on the 200€ bill.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why do we need new designs, exactly? Never mind that I rarely look at my money closely enough to care all that much what it looks like.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm assuming they are updating the security features to make them as counterfeit-proof as possible. Giving them a new design makes it easier to tell the old ones and the new ones apart.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That would be an explanation I could accept. Would be nice if Mme Lagarde said anything to that effect in the video.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have to admit that I didn't watch the whole video, I just assumed based on the last redesign. But I looked into it and apparently there are several reasons besides security reasons, among them making the banknotes more sustainable and environmentally friendly.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Thank you for the link. Whatever the reason, I would appreciate if she mentioned it, even in passing, instead of making viewers dig for more information.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It's not something we need, but I think it's neat seeing some new designs once in a while.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Direct survey link: https://survey.ecb.europa.eu/486783

Edit: Yeah, no. Not for me. The provided answers are way too loaded. You have a selection of like 5 yes answers, or "Other" & "Prefer not to say". lol

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What do you mean? I think those are fine options:

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

On the next site, you can choose why you like/dislike it. The options there are very limited.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

If you say you rather like it, you only get the options for describing why you like it. If you say you rather dislike it, you only get to describe why you dislike it. Only for the neutral one you get both sets of follow-up options IIRC.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Awesome, I voted for the space theme.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Well yes, this is about a pre-graphical design stage.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I hope there was a global answer saying "I couldn't care less"

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